Rem 700 trigger recall?

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Hookeye said:
Oils break down, gum up and may react with other chemicals. The 760 I bought was functional ( met the seller at the range). Took it apart when I got home and it had some pink crud everywhere. Took over an hr to clean the trigger group....w scraping.

WD40 was commonly misused as an oil. Suspect that what was used on the Smith Model 60 I got where the action was damn near glued solid
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When WD-40 came out a lot of us used it as it was the first "oil" to come in a spray can. I had a problem on a 742 Remington during some cold weather, but never suspected that WD-40 was the culprit. Our pastor owned a .38 snubbie & asked me if I could get the cylinder open as it was frozen solid. I sprayed it liberally with Ballistol & let it sit overnight. I finally got it open & hosed down the innards, blew it out & put some real oil on her.
 
2 hours w gunscrubber to unglue and clean up the Smith model 60 I got. Non functional....priced right. Like new.....cept shellacked internals.

I dunno what the prev owner of my 760 used.....pinkish orange hard crap everywhere in trigger housing
 
Hookeye said:
2 hours w gunscrubber to unglue and clean up the Smith model 60 I got. Non functional....priced right. Like new.....cept shellacked internals.

I dunno what the prev owner of my 760 used.....pinkish orange hard crap everywhere in trigger housing
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sounds like contaminated, and hardened bearing grease......

Im with you on the fact that poor maintenance is on the owner/operator, and for every idiot trap, theres a better idiot......
But the Walkers been known to trap regular idiots (and some not idiots) more often than any other design im aware of.
The Xmark Pro has a couple features to make it much tougher for regular idiots to trap themselves, so much so that they arnt very good feeling stock triggers, and This Idiot went looking for why... found it too, and unfortunately the imma screw up your trigger feel fix, for one previous (bubba) issue wasn't that great a fix.
Id be interested in a pole of how many of US on here have had, or seen a Walker fail. I generally trust this community to be fair about it.


Again, If you understand your equipment, keep it clean and in proper working order, the Walker is actually quite a nice trigger. IMO it does behoove the user to be even more aware of the other safety aspects of firearms handling, as even an AD/ND is relatively uneventful if it happens in a safe direction.
 
As with dang near anything....when something bad happens its never the users fault......is that of the one with the deep pockets.

Guy of some shooting experience.....a trainer of some sort. Student a newb.....complained of group always off to one side

Mr know it all says the newbs grip is wrong.....asks to see their gun The( class over, off the range ) newb has it loaded. Is their ccw and was about the leave. Informs the trainer its loaded. He says itll be ok.

Wracks slide and blasts one off the floor between two people. Took out edge of his hand.

You know what his first words were?

You shot me!

Yup

Human nature. Blame somebody else
 
Real simple. If one doesnt know the truth of what really happened.....it will happen again.

Change the triggers and ignore proper maintenance?

Just asking for another tragedy
 
I had an AD years ago. New gun. Worked fine....shot good. Loaded up in the dark outside the truck....finger not on trigger ( sidehammer MZ ). Kaboom. Not the way to start a deer hunt. Big smokin hole in the snow.


Tore it apart and a little chunk of walnut fell out of the lock inlet. Was kinda rough. All following sidehammers were pulled apart and checked, cleaned up before use.

I had it pointed in a safe direction. Suspect that wood chip got where it wasnt supposed to be.

Cleaned up and sealed every one after that.
 
Hookeye said:
Change the triggers and ignore proper maintenance?
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In a word, Yes.... Obviously its more complicated than that, but by changing the design they have minimized the likely hood of less than ideal (not even truly poor) maintenance being the result of a discharge.
IMO
They could have done this a while ago by simply making the trigger one piece, and by using a spring with a longer compression range. The Xmark takes the longer trigger spring idea and replaces it with two springs....ones bait
and uses a linkage to force the one piece trigger back under the sear when the saftey is on.
and yes that can still be screwed up, but it at least provides little more safety.
gotta remember, you dont need to be an idiot to get shot by one. So i appreciate the changes
 
The "truth" is no long available on the Walker trigger. When this lawsuit hit the net all sorts of horror stories appeared. Bolt handles started to break off and extractors failed. One pilgrim claimed his bolt handle broke off when the rifle fell onto the carpet. There's some much BS and hot air blown on this topic the truth is impossible to find. You really have for choices. You can keep the old trigger. You have the option of having the old trigger replaced by Remington. Also, one can buy an aftermarket trigger. The fourth alternative is to trade the 700 off..

This drama reminds me of a stunt a friend of mine pulled back in the day. He had a rigged up sound system in his Jeep. On the way home, beer fueled, he decided to make some excitement. He put on his Johnny Steward mating mountain lion record on this sound system. He could hear the cats caterwauling all across the valley. The next day half a dozen people reported hearing the cats. Several actually saw the beast.
 
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With the shear number of 700s out there.....bound to have had a few bad ones.

Never said they didnt exist.

Think that the overwhelming majority were people error and not mechanical. And even within the mechanical ones......most of them people induced.....by mis adjustment, contamination and or neglect.

Had a 700 go off when ya didnt want it to?
Not gonna argue that it didnt happen.
I'll take their word on it.

What i want to know is how it happened. The why. I want investigation done, proof. Not a guess.

People may think they know what happened....but that doesnt mean they know what really happened

Easy to misattrribute something, esp with a bit of knowledge.

Kinda reminds me of when folks shootna deer and tell you what happened.....the bullet or broadhead failed .....when they never recovered the deer.

Their guess could be right. But until they have a carcass and do a proper autopsy....they cant make a definitive claim.

As gun hobbyists we have a bit more knowledge on this stuff than most folks.

I expected wrongly a bit more scientific approach. My bad.

Done.
 
I have had a 700 fire when I closed the bolt. I had spent a week hunting in Wyoming. Riding in the back of a truck, walking around, doing the kind of stuff you do while hunting. Was in a blizzard one day and in a dust storm a few days later. Arrived back home and immediately headed for deer camp and our opening morning. Got out of the truck in the dark, shoved 3 rounds into the magazine, closed the bolt and BOOM! Immediately went back to camp and disassembled the rifle and washed the red dirt and dust out of the trigger. I don't wear gloves, my finger WAS NOT on the trigger and I closed the bolt in a gentle manner. I was also exercising safe gun handling.

I have several 700's and they all have Jewell triggers now. I don't consider my AD to be Remingtons fault. I just didn't realize how much dust and crud that had crept into my rifle, and trigger. I usually care for my gear better than that. My tight schedule contributed to this lack of maintenance. Jewel recommends using lighter fluid to clean and lube their triggers. It seems to work well on other triggers too!
 
One of the participants in the Remington lawsuit had written a book about the dangers of most American made rifles. He went around as a witness in these law suites. Go figure.

My opinion: Take a look at Model 70 and Savage 110 triggers. Tell me they are not as subject to Bubba, dirt or dried grease. I wonder how many people have been injured by Marlin 336's. This grain of dirt event is hard to swallow. I remember one of the exhibits looks like it was stored under the house for fifty years. I think it's my responsibility to keep the firearm clean.

I had forgotten about an additional incident of Bubba caused accidental discharges. That's a total of three. That trigger business is a gift to 700 haters. It's hard for me to say Remington's are faulty after all the examples seen personally here were customized by Bubba. How many times have we heard." Everything was perfect and it just went ......." I am sure that fatalities related to the Walker safety had a rifle was pointed at somebody. These rifles are not perfect. We have hunted and shot paper with these rifles for years without a problem. How many 700's have been made? Remington's perceived deep pockets may have had something to do with this dance.
 
I've got some older Rem and never had triggers replaced. I've got older Rem 2oz trigger no safety and I've got article that Rem was working late 50 on match grade trigger for Army Marksmanship unit and Walker got patent 1963 and a three lever single stage capable of two ounce let off. 1968 the started putting 2 oz in 40X. as option.. I can't think how many times I loaded rd in 40x never had it go off plus no safety.

How do you make trigger that sometimes goes off and bigger % doesn't. If I had rifle go off on loading, I would be on phone to Rem and rifle be going back to Rem and why would someone want keep rifle like that.
 
Ditto on the 2oz. trigger. When varmint hunting in the field it was usual to leave the bolt handle up. One of two accidental discharge here was with a Bubba done trigger job on a Walker trigger on a 40X. No problems with the 2oz period. Still have the 40x, now rebarreled, with same 2 oz. trigger from the day. The other was a XP-100 that would go off when the bolt was closed. Bubba has done a trigger on this one too.
 
I was sitting on my field bench one day with my 700 laying on my lap. I moved the 700 and it went off. I don't know if my pants hung up on the trigger, but don't recall anything touching it.

I got on the computer and ordered a Timney that same day and installed the day it arrived. No problems since! I think all my Rems have Timney's, directly ordered from the company. If you order direct they include a "free" Tootsie Pop, but the best thing is that they will set the pull to whatever (safe) weight you want.
 
OK, so I got a $400 Rem 700 that gets used once a year for deer season. How much is it gonna cost me for a Jewel Trigger?
 
NY Yankee said:
OK, so I got a $400 Rem 700 that gets used once a year for deer season. How much is it gonna cost me for a Jewel Trigger?
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I think Jewells start at about 200, Timneys 120 ish, Trigger Tech (my current favorite for the cost) 140-160.

If your ok with a 3-4 lb pull install an Xmark pro, they go for about 30 bucks online.
 
.308 Norma said:
Ha! Funny you mentioned your "pants." Did you have to change them?:eek::D
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No, but also didn't need to say "What was that noise?" Fortunately, it was only a .223 and not my .270, which might have gone flying!

A guy I knew was duck hunting in his canoe and was sculling up on some ducks when he reached for his semi-auto shotgun that was laying to the right of his legs. He grabbed for it and his glove got stuck in the trigger guard and the gun fired. He tried to pull his hand away, but the gun fired twice more!!! There he was with three holes in the bottom of the canoe and he went down fast. Fortunately, he wasn't hit and the water wasn't deep, so he could walk out. His fingers were black and blue from the battering, though.
 
A friend of mine entered his car driver's side with his 30-06 pointed toward the floor on passenger side. It went off and shot a hole in the floor and the right front tire. He had a hard time explaining this to his brother, whose car he had borrowed. Not sure it was a 700, but I think it was.
 
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