Remington 1911 Observations

[1911Tuner]

just saying the frame does undergo stresses too

I never said that it didn't. I said that the stresses absorbed by the frame are miniscule compared to those on the slide.

I'm pretty well convinced that the frames and slides on the R1s are in fact cast. I couldn't find any evidence of that in the one that I saw...and I'm not easy to hide a casting from...but it could have simply been an outstanding example. I'm not concerned with a cast frame. If they're good castings, they'll do well. The slides do concern me, and this is very likely why Remington doesn't rate the pistols for +P ammunition, and if the slides are also cast...don't expect the Remington clone to be a durable pistol for hard use. Rock Island/Armscorp learned that lesson the hard way, and they finally caved in and went to machined steel slides.

As I start to encounter more of the guns, I'll report what I see. I don't have a dog in this fight, and if Remington never sells another one, it won't mean a thing to me. However, I do think that they should disclose what their pistols are made of. Evading a pertinent question is, to me...a little suspect.

 

[Zerodefect]

If they were made of forged steel, thier marketing team would be screaming that in every add. it's probally cast.

......then again DW hardly mentions on thier site that they use 0 MIM parts. So maybe todays marketing just stinks.

 

[Quack]

thanks for posting up the pics FMJ, been busy working.
The photo's were taken using a 90mm Macro lens.

i bought mine in June (i think), so it's one of the early one's, so things may have changed.

as for E-RPC, here's some info that I was able to find when i was doing the initial research on the 1911-R1.

On Wednesday, January 13, 2010, a U.S. federal trademark registration was filed for ERPC. This trademark is owned by RA Brands, L.L.C., 870 Remington Drive, Madison, NC 27025.

The address above is Remington's Corporate address. Maybe they did this so that it would not affect the shotgun and rifle business.

and from Remington's website:

What does E-RPC® Stand for?
E-RPC is the name of the company that contracted Remington to make these firearms. E-RPC is not an acronym, it is the company name.

i wonder if it might stand for Elipahet Remington Pistol Company?

 

[Jason Demond]

Tag to see page 2.

 

[joneb]

There are a number of 1911's from Remington and prices vary, when giving a opinion on the R-1, which one are we taking about?

 

[tipoc]

Does Colt make any frames from bar stock? I admit I'm ignorant of how Colt works, but thought they started with (as you said) rough forgings and machined most of the surfaces.

I also agree that it's probably not important to add the slight increase in strength forging would provide for a frame.
But to me a forging should reduce machining time from bar about 50%, and I'm surprised to hear that anyone is doing that.

Colt does it's own in house forgings and works from those, both the slide and frame are forged. They are not machined from barstock. Neither are they cast.

Doing this does add some strength. Up until recently MARSOC was using and reusing some Colt slides of WWII vintage. Some with 500,000 rounds through them. About everything else was replaced but many of the frames trudged on.

In the video below about 20 mins in you see the slides being worked on at about 30 mins you see how the frames look after being forged and going through their process. The vid is from 2012 so a touch out of date on some things (Colt is now one company) but accurate on the process Colt uses.

The narrators are a bit...challenged on entertainment value, but thorough it seems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eij9GxSaIYw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc6mIe8ZzBE

tipoc

 

[DPris]

Colt has no capability for in-house forgings & sources their large forged parts like frames from a forging house down the road from the plant.

Colt produces no forgings themselves.
Denis

 

[tipoc]

They have said they do their own. Maybe that's there way of meaning they get them from "down the road". Or my info is old. At any rate they are forgings.

tipoc

 

[DPris]

They MACHINE the outsourced forgings in-house, they don't have any forging capability.
Denis

 

[tipoc]

Yeah I heard you the first time .

I was drawing my information from a 2012 video which I linked to above (19 minutes in) and articles that may have been older which claim "Colt has an in house forge" and do their own forging. If you have more recent info. OK.

Ah, I found this from 2012 from Brent over to the 1911 forum:

We buy the metal here in the USA, it goes to the forge, we own the dies, they forge with our dies and ship back to us.

post number 16

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=379459

tipoc