remington or winchester

[icon308win]

im looking to get a rifle to ugrade over the next few yrs a little at a time.
I know everyone makes stuff for a remington 700..and gunsmiths love remingtons.How are Winchester model 70.s to upgrade

 

[joed]

I prefer Winchester over Remington any day. There may not be as much aftermarket stuff for the Winchester but I can live with that, it's a better made product. Matter of fact I'm looking at model 70's right now.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

If you buy the currently made Winchesters, you don't need to upgrade them -- although if I could buy an old Model-70 style trigger that fit the new rifles, I would.

 

[wlewisiii]

^^^+1.

If I had the money, I'd buy a new Winchester. Since I don't, I buy used rifles instead.

 

[ErieLurker]

What Vern said. On BOTH points.

 

[lovethosesooners]

I'll 3rd what Vern said-while I very much like my Rem's, they've both required trigger work (replaced the CDL trigger with a Timney and a Timney kit for the 750).

LOVE my Winnies.....not a THING needs to be done to either of my Model 70's (.270 Sporter and .243 Coyote Light).

Very well made and finished

 

[jmr40]

The new FN produced Winchesters are the best ever. I would highly recommend one. They have a lot of advantages over currrent Remingtons and for a comparable rifle are less expensive.

 

[conrad427]

why dont you guys like the new trigger on the win? i hate feeling the adjustment screw on the face of the trigger on my new remington

 

[icon308win]

ive only saw 1 of the new winchesters was a featherlite in 270 it was a great looking and feeling rifle.Looking at website i like the ExtremeWeather ss and thinking on 7MM WSM

 

[Kachok]

I would (and did) take the new Winchester over the 700 ANYDAY! Better in every measurable way, and some that cannot be measured.
Winchester simply makes a better rifle nowadays. Back in the 90s I would have said Remington, but the return of the pre-64 action and the recent FN quality control standards has changed all of that.

 

[MCMXI]

Better in every measurable way, and some that cannot be measured.
Winchester simply makes a better rifle nowadays.

The new FN produced Winchesters are the best ever.

it's a better made product.

Here's my Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather SS. Look carefully at the machining near the front of the ejection port and the race behind the blade ejector. The bolt bangs into the raised part of the race every time I push it forward. All I can say is thank God for Kimber who actually know how to build rifles that show up without piss poor machining and crappy quality control.

 

[Kachok]

^ You think that is bad my Remington 700 CDL would not chamber a round! Factory would not fix it either. And my last 700 (ADL) started rusting the day I took it out of the plastic, even with regular cleaning and fresh oil it was unusable within six months!
Winchester or Remington? No question in my book.

 

[Gtscotty]

1858,

That is out of line on a nice production rifle like the Extreme Weather, will Winchester warranty the repair?

p.s.~ I would take a M70 over the 700 any day, I was recently in the market for a stainless hunting rifle and had narrowed my options to the Winchester Extreme Weather and Browning X-Bolt. If I hadn't run across a deal on an X-bolt I would have the Extreme Weather. I love the Browning, but I'll probably still be picking up an Extreme Weather to keep it company in a year or two...

 

[Vern Humphrey]

why dont you guys like the new trigger on the win? i hate feeling the adjustment screw on the face of the trigger on my new remington

Experience.

Picture this -- you've laid out a couple of thousand dollars or more for an elk hunt. You're at 11,000 feet in the Rocky Mountains in a freezing mist. At the end of the day, you unload your rifle, and try to drop the firing pin -- and it won't drop! Moisture has condenced inside the enclosed trigger box and frozen.

That happened to me -- the rifle was a custom '03 Springfield in .35 Brown-Whelen with a fancy enclosed trigger system. The next morning, about 4:00 AM, I was back on the mountain with my backup rifle -- a pre-64 Model 70 Winchester.

For serious hunting, I want the simple, elegant, orginal Model 70 trigger.

 

[txcookie]

Weird I just received a gift from my Father and his good friend. It was a brand new 2012 700 CDL chambered in 270! My dream rifle and caliber. The wood is great the action is easy as a prom date and the trigger breaks like a thin tube of glass. I am by no means an amazing marksmen but you wouldnt know it watching me shoot this rifle ! It clovers at 100 and is under an inch at 200. Not just in my hands but my Fathers as well as his friends. By far the most accurate rifle any of us have everhandled out of the box.

I simply cant imagine were you guys are finding issues with remington? I am not saying they are better than Winchester or ruger but I will say they are certainly in the highest of class when it comes to a non custom rifle!

 

[sgte5]

I'm with you Cookie. I've owned both the Win 70 and the Rem 700 in several cal. The Rem 700's out shoot any the the Win. The Win. all shoot larger groops than the Rem. They're both great rifles, but for accuracy I'll take the Rem 700 anyday.

 

[Kachok]

I never said a Remington could not shoot, one of mine (the rusty one) would bust plastic thumb tacks at 100yd. Accuracy was great but everything else SUCKED! I would take my tough as nails Model 70 Featherweight and it's 3/4" groups anyday over another one of those. Someone told me that Remington was going to be revamping their production line, I am intrested to see if they can get back in the game for QC.

 

[Robert]

Winchester any day. My 375H&H Safari Express is simply wonderful.

 

[icon308win]

what about the Winchester makes it better

 

[Robert]

For me it was important to have the claw extractor. There is nothing wrong with a push feed bit I like the CRF of the Winchesters. I will be honest, my 375 had to have the crown cleaned up and needed a bedding job to get it right. Well to get it where I wanted it. It was field accurate right out of the box. I am sure Winchester would have fixed it but I did not have time to send it back to them. It shoots a nice tight clover leaf at 100y and not much bigger at 200.

 

[icon308win]

Robert which model do you have I am considering the extreme weather in prob a 270 wsm

 

[Robert]

I have the Safari Express in 375H&H. I know nothing about the 270wsm, but overall I am happy with my rifle. I am kicking around the idea of picking up a Sporter in 30-06 and converting it to 6.5-06...

 

[icon308win]

cool Robert I have a good gun now with the Icon but no aftermarket stuff for it,I am wanting something over the next few yrs I can customize

 

[Vern Humphrey]

One interesting point about the Model 70 Winchester, which I have seen gun "experts" make in print is, "The claw extractor puts sideways pressure on the case and tilts it out of alignment in the chamber."

Balony! Chamber a round in your Model 70 and watch. The case rim slips up behind the extractor -- you don't need a sledge hammer or crowbar. There's no pressure on the case. You can pull the bolt out and easily slip the cartridge out of and back into the extractor.

One the other hand, look at the Remington Model 700. The ejector is a sprng-loaded pin in the face of the bolt. As the bolt is closed, the spring compresses and definitely tilts the case in the chamber. And no one ever mentions that in the gun books.

 

[MCMXI]

One the other hand, look at the Remington Model 700. The ejector is a sprng-loaded pin in the face of the bolt. As the bolt is closed, the spring compresses and definitely tilts the case in the chamber. And no one ever mentions that in the gun books.

The fixed blade ejector on the Winchester action or the plunger style ejector on the Remington action aren't an issue with accuracy ... at least not in my experience. Heck, Accuracy International rifles have a plunger ejector in the bolt face and they're plenty accurate. My Remington match rifle is plenty accurate. The bigger issue is ejection velocity, particularly with an unfired round in the case of a misfire. A loaded round barely clears the ejection port with a Remington when you pull the bolt back (regardless of speed), but jack the bolt back fast on a Winchester and you can send a .375 H&H 10 feet clear of the action. This might be important when staring down the nostrils of a charging Cape Buffalo!!