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Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by 45Frank, Nov 24, 2012.

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  1. 45Frank

    45Frank Member

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    Winchester Primers

    These are Winchester Primers not Remington.


    Good day to all.
    I have been reloading pistol and revolver ammo for 25yrs. or so with no problems,never a misfire nothing. Once I had a bullet in my 45LC get stuck in the barrel but someone forgot to put powder in it, opps. Once in thousands of rounds pretty good.
    So with the help from this forum I am loading my 30-30 rounds with 160 grain FTX and wow what a difference, hitting red at 75 yards 75-80 of the time. A lot of trial and error and improvement to come.
    Now a problem, my friend who lets me hunt on his 400 or so acres brings over his 30-30 and from a rest can't hit a 8"x10" piece of paper with stock Remington ammo. I never had luck with Winchester ammo so I reloaded some up for him and we're on a roll.
    Now disaster strikes, I have reloaded about 500 rounds of these bullets and we go hunting. He texts me saying hey why don't the gun fire and he says I went thru 6 of you bullets and no go. All were misfires, I get home and before I go hunting everyday I shot my gun to check target, 3 of 6 misfire.
    The PRIMERS are ********. Two guns same result. Winchester LRP.
    What in the Heck am I to do with 500 or so rounds that we can't trust, we already lost one deer and the second part of bear season starts in a few weeks. Does complaining to them do any good!
    Has anyone had problems with Winchester Primers?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?
     
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  2. medalguy

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    I've used many thousands of Remington primers of all sizes and never experienced any problems. That's not to say everything is always perfect, mistakes do happen from time to time. I'd call Remington and give them the lot number of the primers and see what they say.
     
  3. ArchAngelCD

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    I have not used a lot of Remington primers over the years because they usually cost more than others where I live but the ones I have used all went bang. Bad primers are rare but that doesn't mean you didn't get a bad box. I agree, give Remington a call and see what's up...
     
  4. TennJed

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    I have never had any trouble with them
     
  5. Blue68f100

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    Give Rem a call, have the lot number. They in most cases want them back if the lot number is a new one. They will issue a pickup ticket so it's on their dime. And for your trouble they normally send 2 for 1. I have never had any problem with any of the main suppliers, Rem, WW, Fed, and CCI. That does not mean there will ever be a problem.
     
  6. 918v

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    I have always had trouble with 1 1/2's in the 9mm. They would pierce with mid-range loads using 147's. Same with factory ammo.
     
  7. Steve C

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    Compare the firing pin mark on the misfires to the ones that went off properly. Lighter hits indicate a improperly seated primer or problem with the gun. Did you try to fire the misfire ammo a 2nd time? If they go off after a 2nd or even 3rd hit by the firing pin the problem is likely a miss seated primer. This can happen esp. with progressive presses if you happen to miss something coming loose like the primer ram. Primers need to be seated to the bottom of the pocket and are usually felt bottoming out with a single stage or hand primer tool but that can be missed in a progressive with all the other things happening at the same time.

    Pull one of the misfired rounds and carefully punch out the primer. Check to see if there is any primer compound and anvil in the primer. Could be a manufacturer defect and that should be obvious. If everything is there then the problem is most likely the formerly described issues.
     
  8. Yarddog

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    "[Steve C
    Compare the firing pin mark on the misfires to the ones that went off properly. Lighter hits indicate a improperly seated primer or problem with the gun. Did you try to fire the misfire ammo a 2nd time? If they go off after a 2nd or even 3rd hit by the firing pin the problem is likely a miss seated primer. This can happen esp. with progressive presses if you happen to miss something coming loose like the primer ram. Primers need to be seated to the bottom of the pocket and are usually felt bottoming out with a single stage or hand primer tool but that can be missed in a progressive with all the other things happening at the same time.

    Pull one of the misfired rounds and carefully punch out the primer. Check to see if there is any primer compound and anvil in the primer. Could be a manufacturer defect and that should be obvious. If everything is there then the problem is most likely the formerly described issues.]"

    Agree 100%, That is why I like my hand primer ; )
    Y/D
     
  9. 45Frank

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    I hand prime every round and you can feel them bottom out. I have tried to re-fire these 2-3 times in two different guns. I am just afraid to use them for hunting now(500 or so rounds). Also I will be reaching out to Winchester this morning to see what they have to say!
    I now remember I used the same primers for my daughters 243 but haven't shot but a handful of them yet. This is turning into a nightmare. After all these years of reloading I never had a problem with anything then this.
     
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    You should take the misfires and pull the bullets and pour out the powder to examine it. Carefully pop out the primers and see if the primers went off, if there is clumped powder in the case or if there is any indication that something else didn't work properly.

    Try running some loaded cases through a press mounted primer seater and try shooting them off. Maybe your hand priming system isn't giving the same "feel" with Remington primers as it does with the other primers you've been using.
     
  11. ArchAngelCD

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    I'm sure that's just a mistake because you originally said they were Remington primers.

    When you do talk to Remington please let us know what they have to say.
     
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    Wow I do apologize and am very sorry as I did get the two mixed up. Sitting in a tree to long and not enough sleep can do this I figure.
     

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    I do hope your strapped in.
     
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    That's too bad. I didn't really read the whole thread but are you having hard hits on the primers? Maybe the headspace on those two 30-30 rifles, compounded with setting the case shoulder too far back is causing light hits.
     
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    Did you tumble the casings in corn cob or walnut shells after they were deprimed? Sometimes little chunks of media will get stuck in the flash hole. I learned that one the hard way.
     
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    Looking at the picture you supplied, where and when did you get those primers?

    I just checked my sleeves of WLR primers and the backs, as I thought, are very different. The current packaging is blue and on the back there is a small section on the bottom left of the rear that's also blue. The Olin is smaller now too and it has been for a long time.

    It's very possible those are old primers and while I have used plenty of primers that are 20+ years old without one misfire there's no way of knowing if those primers were properly stored. (if you bought them recently that is)
     
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    I had the same problem with a card (100) CCI LR primers. About half wouldn't go Bang. With hundreds of millions of primers being made each year, I'm suprised more of them don't misfire.
     
  18. BillB204

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    Sorry TwoEyed. A stuck piece of media MIGHT (but doubtful) prevent the primer flash from igniting the powder. But it wouldn't prevent the primer from igniting. And even with full ear protection, anyone can hear a primer ignite when the powder doesn't. I've fired enough squibbs to know this personally.
     
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    Aw, too bad about those dud primers. It seems rather odd. I have loaded for many years and used all brands of primers with never a problem like that.

    I hate to suggest breaking down so many. Perhaps you should just use them for paper punching and load up some more, with different primers, for hunting. Then break down the duds.
     
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    I would agree with using the doubtful rounds for practice instead of breaking so many down except that those FTX bullets are on the expensive side. Those would be costly practice rounds IMO.
     
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    pull the bullets, dump the powder, reprime with new WLR primers, re-powder with known, good rifle powder, and reseat the bullets. If you are lucky, most of the bullets you pull will be salvageable. I wouldn't take a risk with using cartridges that have an "unknown" factor. It's a shame that this happened to you. It has never happened to me, but one must be cautious when buying ammo components. I would not accept primers or powder from folks I didn't trust 1,000 percent. Since you are in a pinch for time, I would go out and buy a box of 30-30's and chalk it up as experience. Good Hunting!
     
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    How much thought did you put into this?

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    They Violated My IV Amendment I Had Nothing To Hide (Should be...they searched and found illegal/contraband items...I was guilty)
    They Repealed My I Amendment "I COULD SAY NOTHING"

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    Have you heard anything from Winchester? I seem to remember that there were some bad batches of Win LRP floating around out there.

    Bad batches happen, QA fails, recalls happen (remember the Federal .45acp recall?)...
     
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    In the future, make a small batch, and test them for function, before making 500.

    Lots of things can go wrong- not just primers.
     
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    As for bad primers, I've heard a couple reloaders claiming such, but in all the years of reloading, personally I never had one single problem. If I had any faith in factory ammo I would probably suggest trying some factory in the rifle to help determine if it's the firearm or your reloads malfunctioning. But considering factory has been the only ammunition I've ever had problems with, well.

    GS
     
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