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removing a thumb saftey?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by thefamcnaj, Oct 28, 2011.

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  1. thefamcnaj

    thefamcnaj Member

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    I just bought an xd 45 and love it, it taking the place of the G21 on the nightstand as soon as it proves itself. The only thing I don't like is the manual thumb saftey. I feel it unnecessary. I want it removed. Is this a bad idea? Will it affect the function of the gun? Can a good smithy remove this easily. Reason I'm asking is I may carry this gun in the winter, and I don't carry pistols with thumb safties.
     
  2. rcmodel

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    Yes it is a bad idea for legal reasons.

    In the event you ever use the gun for SD, or someone else has an accident with it, you could be in deep dodo with a civil lawsuit.

    I fail to see a problem with leaving it on the gun.
    If you don't like safety's for some unknown reason, just don't use it.

    rc
     
  3. ku4hx

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    It's your property and you can make any changes you want to. But why try and make it into a Glock? If you prefer the Glock format stick with that.

    Not to mention the possible legal issues of removing the safety to make it "more lethal". Brings to mind the Black Talon fiasco. Words do matter and making a gun "unsafe" can have unexpected consequences.
     
  4. thefamcnaj

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    Well I like the glock and xd format equally well. Giving the slight edge to the xd's for ergo reasons. I just feel like the grip saftey and the double trigger are more than enough. Now knowing that there could possibly be legal issuse with removing the saftey I'll leave it alone. Thank you so much for the replies. I would have been making a potentially big error in judgement. I can always count on thr to come through.
    Its not that I don't like safty's its just that the internal mecs are enough for me to feel safe.
     
  5. 2wheels

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    I wouldn't mess with the gun, if you're really set on an XD w/o a safety sell yours and buy one.
     
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    I agree that you should leave the safety on the gun. Just carry with it in the "fire" position or sell your XD and buy one without a thumb safety.
     
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    ive never even seen one with a manual thumb safety...didnt know they existed lol learn something new every day

    i agree - try to trade it for one without MTS or sell it and buy a different one
     
  8. log man

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    I do believe thumb safety is a misnomer for an XD, it does have a grip safety however.

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  9. Strykervet

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    Whatever you do, if you do decide to remove it, make dang sure you either replace it or restore it back to original and working order, or else disclose this and in writing in the bill of sale if you ever sell the piece.

    That is very important.

    I disabled the key locks on a couple Smith revolvers that had them. I filed down the pin on the flag so everything looks normal, they just don't work. I think it increases reliability due to inertia possibly engaging the lock during firing. It has happened, rare, but possible. I don't plan on ever selling them, but if I did, I'd disclose it or replace the flags with new ones.

    But I agree, if you don't like the manual safety, just get a Glock (make sure it is a 3rd gen!). Those are what I use, I have six. I think of them as tools, not as works of firearms art. I always wear a G29 or 27, my wife carries a 17. We have a 21 for bedside. I have total confidence in them, more so than a revolver in fact. My wife's 17 is a 2gen with tons of rounds down the tube, one factory rebuild, and I've rebuilt it and tuned it over the years. The pistol was made in '85 I think, a police pistol, and rebuilt before or after Glock did that trade for .40 pistols and resold the old ones. It is not only accurate, it is reliable and a great pistol. I'd carry it myself. She has polished components to reduce trigger pull, but a NY2 to increase it to a smooth but stiff pull.

    The reason we like them as defensive weapons, among other things, is the fact they have no external safeties to manipulate. All three are inside. To me, it is the pinnacle of defensive hardware. Lots of other good stuff out there, yes indeed, but if you want these kinds of features, don't modify an important part of another pistol, just get a Glock. Seriously.
     
  10. thefamcnaj

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    I love glocks. I own 8 of them because they are what I cut my teeth on when I was a newbie. I was what you'd call a fanboy I guess. Now after time in the gun world I've branched out. As far as polys go I like the xd and glock platform all the same. I was just curious what you guys thought as it had never occured to me until this morning to remove the TS.I'm not real fond of letting go guns in the collection as the previous three times I did I regretted it. So I'm just going to buy one with out a thumb saftey. A used one in nice condition. XD's are pretty easy to find around here. I'm just thankful I asked this question here on thr before I just made the decision to do it, as I never even considered possible legal repercussions.
     
  11. Lucky Derby

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    The XD is available with a thumb safety in addition to the grip safety. This is an optional feature.
     
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    Yes, am aware of an aftermarket thumb safety for the Glock, and perhaps the XD, but not stock, I believe. Glock did make a special run for an Australian Police Dept. Haven't heard of SA offering a TS for the XD. Any links?

    LOG
     
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    @ log man-The ts option is only available on the xd 45. Not sure about the xdm 45, mine did not have a ts. None of the other calibers in the xd series offer a ts. You can go to any gun shop and they'll order you one with or with out the ts, and there is no price differense. Cant provide any links but I'm sure its on SA's web site.
     
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    Interesting. I can't find it though at the SA website. http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php

    Just like to see the factory part, that's free.

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    Logman, it IS on the SA website. You're not looking hard enough.
    Click on "XD 4" Service Model" Click on the pull down menu "Select Model For Specs". It's in the list between "XD9613HCSP06 45 ACP BI-TONE" and "XD9701HCPS06 9MM V-10 PORTED, BLACK". It's a factory model.
    It's even hidden in this post if you look a little deeper.
     
  18. gvf

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    How are you going to leave it on your night stand or CCW it? Cocked and UNlocked?
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

    ESPECIALLY at night when you can wake up groggy and grab a safety-disabled gun. Welcome to the world of Criminally Negligent Homicide.
     
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    It's available with or without. Try the www.Springfield-Armory.com link......:rolleyes:

    OP, if you don't like thumb safeties, why did you buy the harder to find version that has one?
     
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    I'll help ya out, go to Springfields website, look at the XDs, select the XD45, it's the very last model option on the drop down menu.
     
  21. ugaarguy

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    Most XDs don't have a thumb safety, although they do all have a grip safety. It's not disabling the safety as much as it's changing it to a different factory configuration. All S&W certified M&P Armorers are trained to install & remove the thumb safety ob those pistols to fit user preference. I'm not sure if the XD thumb safety is removable at the Armorer level, but the fact that almost all XDs don't a thumb safety indicates that they're perfectly safe without said thumb safety.

    In other words, you're jumping to conclusions, and blowing this way out of proportion gvf.
     
  22. log man

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    There it is! Now would be interested as to how this safety works, sear is blocked by the grip safety, so is the thumb safety redundant, or block the striker.

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  23. thefamcnaj

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    :)
    I needed a good laugh. thank you. I sleep with glock 30 chamberd on the night stand or carry it in the winter with one in the pipe, no thumb saftey on it. Would this be considered criminal neglegent homocide? It was a simple question requiring a simple answer that was done quite well in post 6.
    Thats a fair question. I bought it because I only paid 300 dollars for it. Couldn't pass that up with or with out a ts.
     
  24. ATLDave

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    Gadzooks, the cult of Glock has really taken hold when people are talking about removing safeties from guns that have them. Jeez, if you don't want to ever have the gun in "safe" mode, just don't flip the dang switch!

    If you trust yourself to never, ever, ever accidentally pull the trigger, then why not trust yourself not to ever accidentally put on the safety? :confused:
     
  25. W L Johnson

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    Just ignore it and get on with life. It's always amazed me how bent out of shape some people get over a control you don't have to use if you don't want to.
     
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