BluesBear
member
Turn in my guns???
What guns???
What makes you jack-booted-thugs think I own any guns???
I just collect holsters.
What guns???
What makes you jack-booted-thugs think I own any guns???
I just collect holsters.
Repeal of the 2nd amendment
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Okiecruffler
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You know what's funny, I don't even own any of the rifles that they'd be coming after. But I'd be standing right by by you, bolt action at the ready. But I don't want them to come to my house, not enough cover. How's about we all meet at Tamara's house? Tam, put some tea on
St. Gunner....
Wow what a tiger, why don't you tell me what was done against the following:
The Gun Control act of 1968
The Brady Bill
The Assault Weapons Ban
OK Tiger, where was the great outcry, when did the government drop to its knees, most of all, where were you Tiger, sitting in your bomb shelter? Please post the newspaper accounts of the "heroic actions" that would have made our founding fathers proud. The national news media must not have picked-up the story, they must have confused it with just another run of the mill crime or did it appear in the comics section?
Have you informed my government of the awful things you and others will do AGAIND yea, right) the name calling and such if they don't let the assault weapons ban lapse? I hear holding your breath can be very effective. Boy are they dumb, they just keep passing these anti-2nd amendment bills despite all the "responsible" words of wisdom and acts of civil unrest inflicted (yet so quiet and depressed sitting in the jail cell afterwards). You better tell them whats at stake or you may risk them not noticing your actions AGAIN.
Like others of your mind-set the trick is just to ignore you and smile. You will just fade away beating your chest like some primate as you go. Does YOUR political candidate walk on his hind legs or just swing through the trees?
Wow what a tiger, why don't you tell me what was done against the following:
The Gun Control act of 1968
The Brady Bill
The Assault Weapons Ban
OK Tiger, where was the great outcry, when did the government drop to its knees, most of all, where were you Tiger, sitting in your bomb shelter? Please post the newspaper accounts of the "heroic actions" that would have made our founding fathers proud. The national news media must not have picked-up the story, they must have confused it with just another run of the mill crime or did it appear in the comics section?
Have you informed my government of the awful things you and others will do AGAIN
D yea, right) the name calling and such if they don't let the assault weapons ban lapse? I hear holding your breath can be very effective. Boy are they dumb, they just keep passing these anti-2nd amendment bills despite all the "responsible" words of wisdom and acts of civil unrest inflicted (yet so quiet and depressed sitting in the jail cell afterwards). You better tell them whats at stake or you may risk them not noticing your actions AGAIN.Like others of your mind-set the trick is just to ignore you and smile. You will just fade away beating your chest like some primate as you go. Does YOUR political candidate walk on his hind legs or just swing through the trees?
Some of you folks have come awfullydamnclose to forgetting the forum rules, here.
Those defending the rule of law should at least follow the laws issued by the chief authority of this jurisdiction.
Those arguing for fundamental human rights should be respecting the property rights of the guy who owns the forum, and not make the moderators have to play whack-a-mole with them.
And everyone who has ever opined, "An armed society is a polite society" should be demonstrating it with every post.
pax
DigitalWarrior
Member
Now this may be OT but:
Have you seen the latest accounts in Iraq? We are losing several guys a day now to those Baath-*****. I think that they started out with random shootings, but that turned out to be ineffective, so they turned to timed (like VCR timers) and remote detonated bombs (using cell phones and CB radios). It is a good thing that explosive is next to impossible to get or make yourself. I bet that they are using (open source) PGP to encrypt communications between cells. Hell, if they had wireless communications, they might even connect through unsecured Wireless LANs in the cities. After some observation, the Baathists even figured out that our convoys tend to travel at 25 m. intervals and buried remote mines at that interval. That was particularly nasty. Lucky we jammed the cell phone signal that would have detonated them. I wonder how they jam buried wired signals.
Also OT
When I was in the Marine Corps it seemed like 1/3 of them were from Texas. It also seemed that alll of the REALLY good shots owned their own guns. On a realated note I think we all pledged to defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foriegn and domestic.
Final OT
I am not sure, but saying that you might go kill someone for enforcing a law, might be admissable in court as evidence.
Have you seen the latest accounts in Iraq? We are losing several guys a day now to those Baath-*****. I think that they started out with random shootings, but that turned out to be ineffective, so they turned to timed (like VCR timers) and remote detonated bombs (using cell phones and CB radios). It is a good thing that explosive is next to impossible to get or make yourself. I bet that they are using (open source) PGP to encrypt communications between cells. Hell, if they had wireless communications, they might even connect through unsecured Wireless LANs in the cities. After some observation, the Baathists even figured out that our convoys tend to travel at 25 m. intervals and buried remote mines at that interval. That was particularly nasty. Lucky we jammed the cell phone signal that would have detonated them. I wonder how they jam buried wired signals.
Also OT
When I was in the Marine Corps it seemed like 1/3 of them were from Texas. It also seemed that alll of the REALLY good shots owned their own guns. On a realated note I think we all pledged to defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foriegn and domestic.
Final OT
I am not sure, but saying that you might go kill someone for enforcing a law, might be admissable in court as evidence.
DigitalWarrior
Member
Hey Tele,
Your course of action has worked very well so far, hasn't it? At what point would you want to try something different? I for one, think it more productive that the government fear an insurrection. If we give them an inch, they will take it.
Revolutions are won and lost on the turn of a phrase, not because of it's emotionalism, but because it captures the popular imagination.
You speak of the right wing as prefering to live in the past rather than cope with the demands of modern day society. If the demands of modern day society are evil, then I say we shall make ourselves a post-modern day society.
Choke on this (Dear Lord, sometimes explenetives are warranted, but they are still not used in polite company):
If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave.
John Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
Your course of action has worked very well so far, hasn't it? At what point would you want to try something different? I for one, think it more productive that the government fear an insurrection. If we give them an inch, they will take it.
Revolutions are won and lost on the turn of a phrase, not because of it's emotionalism, but because it captures the popular imagination.
You speak of the right wing as prefering to live in the past rather than cope with the demands of modern day society. If the demands of modern day society are evil, then I say we shall make ourselves a post-modern day society.
Choke on this (Dear Lord, sometimes explenetives are warranted, but they are still not used in polite company):
If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave.
John Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
St. Gunner
Member
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Tell ya what we could meet halfway and see what gets beat on. Are you so ignorant you can't find any other way to attempt to make your point but to start with the name calling? I assure you, I can give you a run for your money in the name calling or even cursing divisions of any arguement, but why?
The Gun Control act of 1968
I wasn't even a glimmer in Daddy's eye, He was 14 at the time.
The Brady Bill
The Assault Weapons Ban
I was 19yrs old at the time, probably more busy chasing girls than anything, but I did write a couple dozen letters at that time, even though I didn't own any of the guns they wanted to mess with. I think at the time I owned one deer rifle and a couple shotguns and .22's.
Could you maybe attempt to create more drama?
Let it carry on Telewinz, keeping backing up to the big brutal thug and see where it leads. If you want to approach government with your head tucked in a sign of submission more power to ya, just make sure you can perform your given task they assign. Frankly you make me sick to my stomach, that in a country where so many have died for the rights some of us hold dear to our hearts, men can exist that would spit on their names and memories with their actions.Maybe patriotism, the constitution, and apparently morals and rights are dead and gone where you are, but here in Texas we still attempt to honor those things, some have trashed in the name of progress. We don't form out politics by the politically correct feelings of the day, fear, or submission to anyone. I know we aren't the last state like this in the nation, but somedays as I listen to capitulation speeches by others I begin to wonder.
It looks like we will see a Sunset of the AWB, thanks to the dedicated efforts of millions of voters, but it can't stop there. If we intend to gain ground in this issue of gun rights and all human rights, we can't ever make it seem feasible that we might capitulate. We won't, we can't, we'll die first. PC ideals be damned...
Funny I thought name calling was your sides forte in all of this.
Yes my Senators are well aware that I feel this nation could split and civil unrest be imminent if more gun control laws are passed, or more liberties are stripped on the basis of safety from terror. Yes my Senators are aware that I think BATF is a bunch of unkempt abominations to the very ideal of patriotism and Liberty. Yes my Senators knows that I am a one issue voter, and yes they know all about the three boxes in this country.
This country, with its institutions, belong to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their 'constitutional' right of amending it or their 'revolutionary' right to dismember or overthrow it. Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugeral Adress, march 4, 1861
Granted I disagree with a large part of what Abe did and found some of his actions unconstitutional, but he did have the rights of the people correct, and they did take it upon themselves to use the revolutionary right.
Funny how things change and ideals not of the founders are expounded as such by men who don't like the sacrifice they involve. Could you for the rest of us here, who happen to think you are most likely an anti who happens to own guns, explain how a policy of capitulation and subservience is going to insure our gun rights for the next 20yrs. Because if you can't, your opinion is not worth much, and your talk and ideals are simply fraud to the masses.
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I don't know about the drama but you miss my point completely. The day after each anti-gun law went into effect was just another average day in this country. Despite all the talk NOTHING was done by the extremists, not even a million man march on Washington. People who are successful in their lives have too much to lose by being law breakers, its only the losers, under achievers and misfits that make up the political extremes in this country.
"Maybe patriotism, the constitution, and apparently morals and rights are dead and gone where you are"
Typical argument made by the right wingers, if I don't agree with your point of view I am a robot for the government or I don't understand the Constitution as well as you. I ENLISTED (draft #362) in the military (when it wasn't popular to do so) and served for over 6 years, so please don't presume to lecture me on patriotism. Since I received a college education via the GI Bill please don't presume that I don't understand the Constitution. BTW, what does your military service amount to? Watching "Patton" 4 times doesn't count.
"This country, with its institutions, belong to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their 'constitutional' right of amending it or their 'revolutionary' right to dismember or overthrow it."
The majority of the people who inhabit this country have spoken their minds by voting yet because you disagree with them, you ignore and then damn them for not agreeing with YOUR interpetation of the 2nd amendment. Your method hasn't worked for decades (if ever) How many fence sitters do you think you could win over with your threats and logic?
Time to close this thread. You may have the last rant!
"Maybe patriotism, the constitution, and apparently morals and rights are dead and gone where you are"
Typical argument made by the right wingers, if I don't agree with your point of view I am a robot for the government or I don't understand the Constitution as well as you. I ENLISTED (draft #362) in the military (when it wasn't popular to do so) and served for over 6 years, so please don't presume to lecture me on patriotism. Since I received a college education via the GI Bill please don't presume that I don't understand the Constitution. BTW, what does your military service amount to? Watching "Patton" 4 times doesn't count.
"This country, with its institutions, belong to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their 'constitutional' right of amending it or their 'revolutionary' right to dismember or overthrow it."
The majority of the people who inhabit this country have spoken their minds by voting yet because you disagree with them, you ignore and then damn them for not agreeing with YOUR interpetation of the 2nd amendment. Your method hasn't worked for decades (if ever) How many fence sitters do you think you could win over with your threats and logic?
Time to close this thread. You may have the last rant!
stephen_g22
Member
My son will be 12 in 12 years. I will tell him to aim small, miss small.
stephen_g22
"My son will be 12 in 12 years. I will tell him to aim small, miss small."
Saw the movie and loved it for its entertainment value. Your comment was made by Mel Gibson an ACTOR in a movie that was largely a piece of FICTION based on historic events. Just like the movie "Braveheart".
"My son will be 12 in 12 years. I will tell him to aim small, miss small."
Saw the movie and loved it for its entertainment value. Your comment was made by Mel Gibson an ACTOR in a movie that was largely a piece of FICTION based on historic events. Just like the movie "Braveheart".
SSSHHHH.....If they know my government has "nukes" they will want to own them also. Our forefathers would have wanted it that way, the missing pages to the 2nd amendment are buried under Grant's Tomb. SSSHHHH...its a cover-up. Don't trust the government with "nukes", trust the right wingers only they are the great protectors of the Constitution and only they are the REAL patriots 'cause they told me so.
I think ; this makes me very sad; I agree with tele. I cannot see a bunch of people turning out into armed revolution, if the situation tele outlined was to happen. Maybe if I didnt have people I love, and am loved by, around I would grab my rifle and start poppin all who I blamed. But the fact is, I would most likely fight when backed into a corner. However, I WILL AllWAYS HAVE GUNS. The ones they dont know about, I will keep.... and there will be hell to pay when no one is lookin. If they surround my house and try and take me away, Id give it up. Try to take away my loved ones, I'll lose my life first. If the Gov. managed to (Somehow) get all my guns, I happen to know where they keep theirs. I will have to help myself. Most Con's will tell you, It's better to be caught by the bull's with a shank, than to be caught by the con's without one. If prisoners, in MAX Sec. can manage to keep a weapon, I definitly can as well. For that matter look at the IRA, for 100 yrs they were on an island, surrounded by one of the best Navy's in the world, and they managed to get plenty of guns. I get the feeling they will allways be availible. Just like anything else.
longeyes
member
"People who are successful in their lives have too much to
lose by being law breakers, its only the losers, under achievers and misfits that
make up the political extremes in this country."
That's rather grandly self-serving, isn't it? A lot of the greatest
ideas in history have come from the margins.
I'll tell you where you are wrong: you assume that if our liberties
continue to be eroded--and not just the Second Amendment--that those
who are currently "successful in their lives" will continue to be
successful. They won't. The middle-class is on the way out--or
haven't you noticed that? When enough people begin to understand that
the future isn't going to be what they always thought and that much
of what they've held sacred is going or gone, you might be surprised
by what happens.
There may or may not be another War of Secession but there's sure as
hell going to be some serious pockets of unrest if the Bill of Rights
is gutted. These days "unrest" can be fairly large-scale.
lose by being law breakers, its only the losers, under achievers and misfits that
make up the political extremes in this country."
That's rather grandly self-serving, isn't it? A lot of the greatest
ideas in history have come from the margins.
I'll tell you where you are wrong: you assume that if our liberties
continue to be eroded--and not just the Second Amendment--that those
who are currently "successful in their lives" will continue to be
successful. They won't. The middle-class is on the way out--or
haven't you noticed that? When enough people begin to understand that
the future isn't going to be what they always thought and that much
of what they've held sacred is going or gone, you might be surprised
by what happens.
There may or may not be another War of Secession but there's sure as
hell going to be some serious pockets of unrest if the Bill of Rights
is gutted. These days "unrest" can be fairly large-scale.
DigitalWarrior
Member
This principle was proved out by the fact that most leaders of the American Revolution were under-educated failures. IIRC not one of them even owned property or had families.
In all seriousness, each man must ask himself where his line is, and what will he do if it is crossed. Then as the line is neared, he must prepare.
Tamara
Senior Member
I searched the thread, but couldn't find out who said that. I'll assume it was in one of the posts that reads simply: "This person is on your Ignore List."
I have to say, though, that it was one of the most chucklesome things I've read all week. I'll get a few more laughs thinking about it as I suffer through my loser life tomorrow...
Tag
Member
molon labe 
This thread has a faulty premise.
The second ammendment was effectively repealed-- 70 years ago. (I think Miller was the name of the guy on the decision.)
The banning of semi-autos is not something we have to look forward to in 12 years, but a bill that is before congress this very minute.
It likely won't pass this year, but I'd not bet money that it wouldn't pass in one or two years. People are already well conditioned to confuse "Semi-auto" with "machinegun" and "Assault weapon" and John Lee Malvo has helped their cause.
The unconstitutional government we have is smart enough to know that repealing the second ammendment might cause the people who say they will take action in this thread to take action. Instead, they just ignore it. I note that nobody has said they are out shooting the bastards. Ignoring the constitution is a lot easier, and a lot more effective- they get away with it, and the gun culture clings to its precious (but pointless) second ammendment. And over time, people get conditioned to more and more violations of the constitution-- everything from preventing third political parties ballot access to the tax system to drivers license laws...
How many "pro-gun" people support "reasonable" gun control? How many support keeping guns out of the hands of convicted felons? Even among the gun culture, people who really actually support the right to keep and bear arms, are hard to find indeed.
Hell, gun owners, in the guise of the NRA, are the largest and most effective gun banning organization in the country.
I don't know what's going to happen... but the water is quite warm now, and people regularly debate "What would happen if we were pulled out of this cool pot and dumped into boiling water?" with the response of "We'd jump!" The very debate ignores the fact that its almost boiling now.
I suspect the idea that you can just wait for the defining moment-- like the repeal of the second ammendment-- in order to take action is comforting. But it's never going to come, cause they know that if they did that, it might cause action... and they've had no trouble simply ignoring the constitution. (On many issues, and for many decades.)
Also comforting is that whenever they ban a few more guns, they first propose banning a lot more guns... so that you can be comfortable in the fact that they only banned a few guns this time, and not all of them.
Convicted felons is a pretty good litmus test-- if you think gun control is foolish because autlaws will have guns, then for felons the point is easily made-- thus you should have no problem with them having the right to defend themselves-- if they want them, they could have them anyway. But many actually oppose the RKBA for this class of person. (IF they can't be trusted with a gun, they shouldn't be on the street.) They claim support for the second ammendment, but ignore the fact that they also support its violation. Same for machine guns. Concealed Carry (a gun owner registration scheme, and nothing more), etc.
How many of you would support a complete repeal of the 1868 and NFA? Hopefully all of you... but you're in the minority among gun owners in the US.
This isn't meant to attack anyone.... I just think things are far worse than people seem to realize.
The second ammendment was effectively repealed-- 70 years ago. (I think Miller was the name of the guy on the decision.)
The banning of semi-autos is not something we have to look forward to in 12 years, but a bill that is before congress this very minute.
It likely won't pass this year, but I'd not bet money that it wouldn't pass in one or two years. People are already well conditioned to confuse "Semi-auto" with "machinegun" and "Assault weapon" and John Lee Malvo has helped their cause.
The unconstitutional government we have is smart enough to know that repealing the second ammendment might cause the people who say they will take action in this thread to take action. Instead, they just ignore it. I note that nobody has said they are out shooting the bastards. Ignoring the constitution is a lot easier, and a lot more effective- they get away with it, and the gun culture clings to its precious (but pointless) second ammendment. And over time, people get conditioned to more and more violations of the constitution-- everything from preventing third political parties ballot access to the tax system to drivers license laws...
How many "pro-gun" people support "reasonable" gun control? How many support keeping guns out of the hands of convicted felons? Even among the gun culture, people who really actually support the right to keep and bear arms, are hard to find indeed.
Hell, gun owners, in the guise of the NRA, are the largest and most effective gun banning organization in the country.
I don't know what's going to happen... but the water is quite warm now, and people regularly debate "What would happen if we were pulled out of this cool pot and dumped into boiling water?" with the response of "We'd jump!" The very debate ignores the fact that its almost boiling now.
I suspect the idea that you can just wait for the defining moment-- like the repeal of the second ammendment-- in order to take action is comforting. But it's never going to come, cause they know that if they did that, it might cause action... and they've had no trouble simply ignoring the constitution. (On many issues, and for many decades.)
Also comforting is that whenever they ban a few more guns, they first propose banning a lot more guns... so that you can be comfortable in the fact that they only banned a few guns this time, and not all of them.
Convicted felons is a pretty good litmus test-- if you think gun control is foolish because autlaws will have guns, then for felons the point is easily made-- thus you should have no problem with them having the right to defend themselves-- if they want them, they could have them anyway. But many actually oppose the RKBA for this class of person. (IF they can't be trusted with a gun, they shouldn't be on the street.) They claim support for the second ammendment, but ignore the fact that they also support its violation. Same for machine guns. Concealed Carry (a gun owner registration scheme, and nothing more), etc.
How many of you would support a complete repeal of the 1868 and NFA? Hopefully all of you... but you're in the minority among gun owners in the US.
This isn't meant to attack anyone.... I just think things are far worse than people seem to realize.
longeyes
member
Tamara
"I don't know about the drama but you miss my point completely. The day after
each anti-gun law went into effect was just another average day in this country.
Despite all the talk NOTHING was done by the extremists, not even a million man
march on Washington. People who are successful in their lives have too much to
lose by being law breakers, its only the losers, under achievers and misfits that
make up the political extremes in this country."
I was citing Telewinz.
"I don't know about the drama but you miss my point completely. The day after
each anti-gun law went into effect was just another average day in this country.
Despite all the talk NOTHING was done by the extremists, not even a million man
march on Washington. People who are successful in their lives have too much to
lose by being law breakers, its only the losers, under achievers and misfits that
make up the political extremes in this country."
I was citing Telewinz.
BluesBear
member
Is it just me?
Is it just me or does it seem that this entire thread was created just to see how many people it could get all riled up?
Isn't there a better way to discuss this than to have one person seeming all too eager to "take on all comers" and try to argue and belittle any and all opposing viewpoints?
Or am I missing something?
Anyway, I am glad that I am much better at shooting for distance than urinating for distance.
Is it just me or does it seem that this entire thread was created just to see how many people it could get all riled up?
Isn't there a better way to discuss this than to have one person seeming all too eager to "take on all comers" and try to argue and belittle any and all opposing viewpoints?
Or am I missing something?
Anyway, I am glad that I am much better at shooting for distance than urinating for distance.
longeyes
"I'll tell you where you are wrong: you assume that if our liberties
continue to be eroded--and not just the Second Amendment--that those
who are currently "successful in their lives" will continue to be
successful. They won't. The middle-class is on the way out--or
haven't you noticed that? When enough people begin to understand that
the future isn't going to be what they always thought and that much
of what they've held sacred is going or gone, you might be surprised
by what happens."
I think you are correct in your observations, have you checked the price of college lately? Its a crime that the poor and middle class are being refused access to higher levels of education because of the cost. Care to think what the long term effects will be?
There seem to be two factions in this country those who want more government and those that want less, guess who has been winning? I think it will continue, many people want a safety net operated by the government and with a growing government comes more regulation. We want protection from the preying rich and only our government can match their power and influence through regulation.
Where most people are wrong IMHO is that they blame the government for all these regulations when in truth the voters asked for, and even DEMANDED these regulations. Blaming the government is a Red Herring. The process will continue, random acts of violence will only speed-up it up.
"I'll tell you where you are wrong: you assume that if our liberties
continue to be eroded--and not just the Second Amendment--that those
who are currently "successful in their lives" will continue to be
successful. They won't. The middle-class is on the way out--or
haven't you noticed that? When enough people begin to understand that
the future isn't going to be what they always thought and that much
of what they've held sacred is going or gone, you might be surprised
by what happens."
I think you are correct in your observations, have you checked the price of college lately? Its a crime that the poor and middle class are being refused access to higher levels of education because of the cost. Care to think what the long term effects will be?
There seem to be two factions in this country those who want more government and those that want less, guess who has been winning? I think it will continue, many people want a safety net operated by the government and with a growing government comes more regulation. We want protection from the preying rich and only our government can match their power and influence through regulation.
Where most people are wrong IMHO is that they blame the government for all these regulations when in truth the voters asked for, and even DEMANDED these regulations. Blaming the government is a Red Herring. The process will continue, random acts of violence will only speed-up it up.
Bill St. Clair
Member
Don Galt, you've reminded me of a great article by Jeff Snyder, which I read in his incredible book, Nation of Cowards. "Walter Mitty's Second Amendment" concerns a (fictional) people who had the right to keep and bear arms, but never did anything about encroachments on their liberty. Why, it was almost as if they didn't have any guns at all.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson
Methinks it's way past time.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson
Methinks it's way past time.
cracked butt
Member
I have been following this thread for several days now and it has become pointless.
THR #1: Our constitutution is worth fighting for as so many have done so in the past.
Telewinz: You are a lawbreaker and have no place in society.
THR#2 gives a dissertation on the Federalist Papers, quotes Jefferson and Washington on natural rights.
Telewinz: You are a right wing nut job, the constitution was written by dead white guys 200 years ago.
THR#3 explains that he would teach his children to stand up for themselves and disobey immoral laws by an immoral government.
Telewinz: You are a criminal and a borderline childabuser that doesn't care for your family. You are a right wing nutjob. Government must be obeyed as it becomes ever more intrusive in your lives.
Does anyone else see the same pattern here?
THR #1: Our constitutution is worth fighting for as so many have done so in the past.
Telewinz: You are a lawbreaker and have no place in society.
THR#2 gives a dissertation on the Federalist Papers, quotes Jefferson and Washington on natural rights.
Telewinz: You are a right wing nut job, the constitution was written by dead white guys 200 years ago.
THR#3 explains that he would teach his children to stand up for themselves and disobey immoral laws by an immoral government.
Telewinz: You are a criminal and a borderline childabuser that doesn't care for your family. You are a right wing nutjob. Government must be obeyed as it becomes ever more intrusive in your lives.
Does anyone else see the same pattern here?
seeker_two
Member
I think that the '94 elections--the ones that gave the Republicans control of the House & Senate after 30+ years--would count for more than nothing...
What part of this discussion are you having a problem understanding? The part where we believe that our rights--including RKBA--are important enough to fight for....
...or that we don't accept the federal government as the end-all, be-all, ultimate divine authority on all things moral and correct?
Which is it.....................Agent Schmuckatelli?
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