Return of the Wondernine
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Gunmeister
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Mentally that is. A '57 Chevy still seems like a pretty new car to me. (LOL)
1911Tuner
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Double-digit magazine capacity is only an issue for those who figure on missin' a lot.
Gunnery! Gunnery! Gunnery! All else is twaddle. Hit the target!
Cheers!
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Double-digit magazine capacity is only an issue for those who figure on missin' a lot.
Gunnery! Gunnery! Gunnery! All else is twaddle. Hit the target!
Cheers!
Tuner
rbernie
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ABSOLUTELY! But some targets are damn hard to hit when they're moving fast. In those instances, I'd prefer to have a little extra in reserve in case my first couple of rounds miss.
1911Tuner
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when they're moving fast. I'd prefer to have a little extra in reserve in case my first couple of rounds miss.
Ya gotta LEAD'em...and that's what spare mags are for. Leave a round under the hammer and REE-load!
when they're moving fast. I'd prefer to have a little extra in reserve in case my first couple of rounds miss.
Ya gotta LEAD'em...and that's what spare mags are for. Leave a round under the hammer and REE-load!
I imagine there will be some interest.....
At first by those that have full sized Nines that want to upgrade their BS nuetered ones. Then, of course, by the crowd that watches too many John Woo movies and think the pistol is a subgun. And the gangbanger, who do not care who they hit(unless, they already have the standard mags).
But, the PD's are not affected, and they seem to be moving up in bore diameter. And the military will not be affected.
Certainly won't cause me much concern....other than the righting of a 2nd Ammendment Violation against the American People perptrated by a villianous man that swore to uphold the constitution, then went about violating it at every opportunity(His ethical code seemed to fall under...'Lie, Cheat, Steal as much as possible').
My handguns are single stack 1911's in .45 acp. I saw two Nines fail where one 45 succeeded, so the twice as much ammo theory holds no sway on my mind. I will always prefer 8 big ones in a flat package to 15(16,17 or 20) on the smaller bullets in a fatter package.
As the ever-wise Tuner suggested, RE-Load.
Now, if HK would introduce a UMP carbine with 16inch bbl, 25 round mags, and a folding stock rather than that USC committee designed thing at a decent price...then I would really be affected by the Sunset. By about 1000 bucks.
I can buy all the AK and 1911 mags I can afford now, but maybe the prices on some items(like AR's) will go down. And though I could get Standard Cap's for staggered .45 handguns easily after the Sunset, those handguns don't hold the interest, feel and reliability of the classic single stack...at least for me.
My .02
Jercamp45
At first by those that have full sized Nines that want to upgrade their BS nuetered ones. Then, of course, by the crowd that watches too many John Woo movies and think the pistol is a subgun. And the gangbanger, who do not care who they hit(unless, they already have the standard mags).
But, the PD's are not affected, and they seem to be moving up in bore diameter. And the military will not be affected.
Certainly won't cause me much concern....other than the righting of a 2nd Ammendment Violation against the American People perptrated by a villianous man that swore to uphold the constitution, then went about violating it at every opportunity(His ethical code seemed to fall under...'Lie, Cheat, Steal as much as possible').
My handguns are single stack 1911's in .45 acp. I saw two Nines fail where one 45 succeeded, so the twice as much ammo theory holds no sway on my mind. I will always prefer 8 big ones in a flat package to 15(16,17 or 20) on the smaller bullets in a fatter package.
As the ever-wise Tuner suggested, RE-Load.
Now, if HK would introduce a UMP carbine with 16inch bbl, 25 round mags, and a folding stock rather than that USC committee designed thing at a decent price...then I would really be affected by the Sunset. By about 1000 bucks.
I can buy all the AK and 1911 mags I can afford now, but maybe the prices on some items(like AR's) will go down. And though I could get Standard Cap's for staggered .45 handguns easily after the Sunset, those handguns don't hold the interest, feel and reliability of the classic single stack...at least for me.
My .02
Jercamp45
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I guess I better post in this thread!
I can't wait for the comeback of the wondernines! The fact is that (for me) I can get a better grip and have more control over a "fat" 9mm such as a HP or a B92 than I can with a single stack 1911. I like having lots of bullets. But I like 1911's too.
I can't wait for the comeback of the wondernines! The fact is that (for me) I can get a better grip and have more control over a "fat" 9mm such as a HP or a B92 than I can with a single stack 1911. I like having lots of bullets. But I like 1911's too.
Buy a bucketfull more of BHP mags at $5 a pop.
Maybe buy a Glock 21.
Maybe buy a Glock 21.
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I dunno.
1911 style , Old Smith Wheels and BHPs always been my choices.
Humm, I never considered the BHP a "wondernine". To me a BHP is a classic , well thought out design that has proven itself.
Yeah due to being asked to do some T&E on a Keltec P-11, I have one...now for a guy into blue and wood...and the aforementioned platforms...now that in itself is a "wonder".
1911 style , Old Smith Wheels and BHPs always been my choices.
Humm, I never considered the BHP a "wondernine". To me a BHP is a classic , well thought out design that has proven itself.
Yeah due to being asked to do some T&E on a Keltec P-11, I have one...now for a guy into blue and wood...and the aforementioned platforms...now that in itself is a "wonder".
Grunt
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"ABSOLUTELY! But some targets are damn hard to hit when they're moving fast. In those instances, I'd prefer to have a little extra in reserve in case my first couple of rounds miss. "
And where do those first couple missed rounds go? I'm going to hope not into the bus load of nuns on their way to the convent or into the baby carriage pushed by some young mother but we all know about Murphy's law and how we can expect a missed round to first go through the baby carriage and THEN through the bus load of nuns. You are responsible for every round you fire and if you miss with those first couple of rounds, you're responsible for them too. Not trying to sound like an ass here but it's just the way things are in the world these days.
And where do those first couple missed rounds go? I'm going to hope not into the bus load of nuns on their way to the convent or into the baby carriage pushed by some young mother but we all know about Murphy's law and how we can expect a missed round to first go through the baby carriage and THEN through the bus load of nuns.
You are responsible for every round you fire and if you miss with those first couple of rounds, you're responsible for them too. Not trying to sound like an ass here but it's just the way things are in the world these days.tiberius
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Looks like we need a sense of humor transplant STAT!
Grunt
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Sorry, sense of humor left a couple hours ago with the insomnia. Seriously though, I've been around long enough to see that there are folks out there that think spraying the area with a lot of lead is the way to end the fight. They seen it done on TV that way and in their video games, the good guy is putting out a continous stream of bullets too so like a lot of other things, they think that this is the way things ought to be done. Hell, I know one kid that packs around a couple Beretta 9mm's because he seen it in a video game and thought it was "cool.":banghead:
Seriously though, I've been around long enough to see that there are folks out there that think spraying the area with a lot of lead is the way to end the fight. They seen it done on TV that way and in their video games, the good guy is putting out a continous stream of bullets too so like a lot of other things, they think that this is the way things ought to be done. Hell, I know one kid that packs around a couple Beretta 9mm's because he seen it in a video game and thought it was "cool.":banghead:tiberius
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No offense intended of course. You are obviously correct, it is just that it is also painfully obvious that rbernie was joking.
Grunt
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Yeah, but being of German/Norwegian ancestory, I have a genitic medical problem..."irony deficency."
WonderNine
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I'm also of German/Norwegian ancestry. Iron deficiency? No wonder I love fried chicken so much.
Gunmeister
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German - Norwegian here too.
Grunt
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Yeah, there's a guy John Louis Anderson in New Ulm, MN that wrote a couple books, "On the Fritz, German-American Humor" and "Scandinavia Humor and Other Myths" that read almost like a checklist for those of us of either German or Scandanavian heritage. Great book and funny as hell, especially when you can see either yourself or another member of your family in there. But that's where I got the phrase, "irony deficency" from.
Black Snowman
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The only thing in my plans that might change if the AWB ban sunsets is I might actually buy a Glock 20 to go with my Delta Elite so it's not lonely in the 10mm department
I'd also like a double stack 38 Super for a 2nd 1911 style gun. I doubt I'll ever own a .45 ACP unless it's set up to shoot .45 Super to. Although the Sig 220 keeps tempting me. I've resisted the urge to rent one so far
I'd also like a double stack 38 Super for a 2nd 1911 style gun. I doubt I'll ever own a .45 ACP unless it's set up to shoot .45 Super to. Although the Sig 220 keeps tempting me. I've resisted the urge to rent one so far
LynnKCircle
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Irony Deficit (Pray and Spray)
Although it's true that the first poster was joking, there IS a serious issue here. CCW holders really ARE responsible for each and every bullet which leaves the muzzle of their gun. If you hit and kill an innocent bystander, the LEAST you can expect is to stand trial for manslaughter -- and that's only the criminal side of things. The civil side and lawyer fees will bankrupt you.
EVEN if you shoot someone righteously, someone who is obviously a threat to you, unless he turns out to be a notorious serial killer, plan on spending around $10,000 dollars in legal fees (according to Mas Ayoob, that's about par for the course).
So, except for the very rich and reckless, self-defense is a very serious matter with very serious consequences. Finally, as someone who most commonly carries an NAA Black Widow with only five rounds of .22 magnum HP, the mantra remains: shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. (Yes, I DO carry a .45 when I can. But usually my clothing requirements/situation preclude anything but deep carry. I could, of course, have gotten a Kel-Tec for the same price, but the price of ammo would have prevented extensive practice. With the .22 cylinder of the Black Widow, I have spent a LOT of hours shooting at targets from seven to twenty-five yards ... and can confidently know what my capabilities and limitations are with it.
(And no, I am not of German nor Scandinavian ancestry!)
Although it's true that the first poster was joking, there IS a serious issue here. CCW holders really ARE responsible for each and every bullet which leaves the muzzle of their gun. If you hit and kill an innocent bystander, the LEAST you can expect is to stand trial for manslaughter -- and that's only the criminal side of things. The civil side and lawyer fees will bankrupt you.
EVEN if you shoot someone righteously, someone who is obviously a threat to you, unless he turns out to be a notorious serial killer, plan on spending around $10,000 dollars in legal fees (according to Mas Ayoob, that's about par for the course).
So, except for the very rich and reckless, self-defense is a very serious matter with very serious consequences. Finally, as someone who most commonly carries an NAA Black Widow with only five rounds of .22 magnum HP, the mantra remains: shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. (Yes, I DO carry a .45 when I can. But usually my clothing requirements/situation preclude anything but deep carry. I could, of course, have gotten a Kel-Tec for the same price, but the price of ammo would have prevented extensive practice. With the .22 cylinder of the Black Widow, I have spent a LOT of hours shooting at targets from seven to twenty-five yards ... and can confidently know what my capabilities and limitations are with it.
(And no, I am not of German nor Scandinavian ancestry!)
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