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RFID Chips in Employees of a Cincinnati Corporation

Discussion in 'Legal' started by glockamolee, Feb 11, 2006.

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  1. glockamolee

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    I say that about drug testing but most people seem to think I'm crazy for minding.
     
  3. Don't Tread On Me

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    This will be the technology used as the final nail in the coffin of firearm ownership.
     
  4. glockamolee

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    It wouldn't be difficult at all to imbed RFID inside a polymer frame... all without the publics knowledge.
     
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    Some speculation of "the Mark of the Beast" is just this, an implanted microchip. I can see that things as we know them will change dramatically over the next decade. I always thought it was predicted by the ATM cards. I can see that, in the not too far off future, that we will be using RFID technology to track our every purchase, move and any other thing that we do. I'm not so sure I like it.
     
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    Could see it being used by LEO and Fire/Ambulance types as an aid to safety - when you would call for help they would then know exactly where you are and be able to dispatch units accordingly. The same might apply to security personnel, though it would be interesting to see what would happen if people turned around and said "no".

    Doubt it would be worth it for everyone else though. That said, chipping convicted criminals might make people think twice about reoffending - determined cons can cut their electronic tags off, but only the most deranged would chew their leg off to get the RFID chip out :D
     
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    The only humans I want to see chipped are illegal immigrants. and then kicked back across the border. If we catch them again, and find the chip, we execute them for spying, as they KNEW they were coming across illegally - we explained it the first time.
    Put a chip in me? Better wait until I am out of ammo...
     
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    That does not necessarily follow. Key word is "voluntarily." They don't have to work there. Frankly, I don't get too worried when private employers require anything, especially if it's a security firm saying it's doing something for security reasons.

    Now, if this starts translating to clerks at every 7-11, Kelly office temps, Safeway checkers, construction laborers, hospital nurses, public school teachers, librarians, or the guy who picks up your garbage on Tuesday mornings and never puts the lids back on your trashcans ... then it's gonna be reason for concern.

    And you're just gonna have to elaborate on this one ...
     
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    I think worrying about RFID chips in firearms might be a bit much, since they'd be easier to destroy than a serial number. Anybody politician who thinks they'd do any good is retarded. Oh s!!t, wait a min............ :eek:



    LOL, but think about it. Detail strip, throw frame in microwave for 1 sec, done.

    No more RFID. :D :D :D
     
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    The implanted microchip would give "The Government" total control of those implanted - it would be used to track movements as well as call in "eye in the sky" surveillence on a given person or persons.

    Microchips could eventually (if they don't already) have the technology to deliver an electrical shock that would render the target person unconscious - say, a fleeing felon, or a gun owner who refused to give up his/her guns...:barf: :barf:
     
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    If my wife could get a chip implanted that acted as her driver's license, keyless vehicle entry device, ignition starter, garage door opener, residence door opener, credit card and ATM card, she would sign up in a heartbeat.

    The trick is going to be separating the positive conveniences against the negative potential of the technology.
     
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    Um - NO !!

    'Could see it being used by LEO and Fire/Ambulance types as an aid to safety - when you would call for help they would then know exactly where you are and be able to dispatch units accordingly.'
    If you are calling on a land line they already KNOW where you are !! ( or more correctly, where the phone is !)
    Cell phones can be located fairly precisely ( much finer than just the cell the phone is in using signal strength )
    and if you're calling for help on a cell, couldn't you TELL them where you are ??!!!
    So unless you're lying in a ditch yelling for help this idea is a solution in search of a problem !
    I'll pass !!
     
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    I'm with ya.
     
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    i think you guys should do a little research into the max range of RFID technology before you get your blood pressure too high
     
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    I think it's all a conspiracy by the tin foil companies to drive up demand for their product.....
     
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    I don't think a religious argument against needs to be made. If anything, that will just embolden the Christianity-hating mainstream in this nation to label those against this as radicals, fanatics, crazy tinfoil hat people etc...


    INSTEAD,


    This type of thing is so inherently wrong, so jam-packed with potential abuse, so destined to be the most destructive thing to our liberties ever...we don't need to mix in "mark of the beast" type stuff.


    It is amazing how laws can be passed to ban this or that, why not get a movement going to make a law prohibiting the implantation of human beings for tracking/security reasons. Pre-emptive - JUST like our founding fathers who wrote a pre-emptive Bill of Rights that contained provisions to protect the very things they knew would be attacked from the get-go.


    As a society, a culture and a nation, we should all begin the dialog that this sort of implantation, or marking or whatever identification is INHUMAN. We are men, not animals to be tagged.



    From a liberty standpoint, if you get an RFID chip in you - you have submitted to slavery. We have forfeitted our right to keep and bear arms (at least the effective ones), we have given up search and seizure, we've given up speech and almost everything. Now they want to take your very freedom of movement away, essentially instituting slavery.


    People don't understand that modern slavery is possible - and is partially in effect. This is because they think that to be a slave, you have to be in chains, beaten, or on a plantation. Modern slavery, like anything else - has a kinder gentler image. And that image has gone right over the heads of everyone.
     
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    Oh, forgot to add...


    This is the slippery slope...first for "high security jobs" then later on even janitors will be forced to have these. Every soccer mom liberal will find a way to justify the use of this technology because Oprah did a show on how one kid was saved by it.


    So, if they can do that - and they will - the guns will also go. One way or another.



    This is where I draw the line folks. If they make this RFID stuff mandatory - that is when I go to church, do my final prayers, load up everything I have and give them lead.


    I will not be implanted. You cannot enslave a freeman, the best you can do is kill him. If this does happen, you'll probably read about it as a story about some crazed gunman...that's how the gover-media works. Ask Carl Drega.
     
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    Uh ... well ... okay, then ... So -- now that you've stated your position, please advise us on just who (and why) would be making RFID implants mandatory for everyone?
     
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    Mexico was proud to announce that they were first to use those chips in Humans. What I see here is that all too often mentioned "slippery slope". First, it's "volunteers", next, it will be mandantory for all employees at that company, then, more companies will follow suit. Finally, the Government will REQUIRE RFID chips for everybody. It happened almost the same exact way with the military and their urinalysis tests for drugs. First, it was the "testing phase", where nobody would be questioned or go to Captain's Mast, then, (very soon after), was people were getting Captain's Mast, then, a couple of years later, people were getting booted out. At THAT point is when I think the civilian world started doing them. (I'm not real sure of the timelines for civilian employment drug screening, as I was military well beyond the time the civilians started that). Religious or not, I don't care for the idea. Besides, I was being facetious with that remark, anyways.:what:
     
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    The same people who consider you their favorite source of revenue. The same people who openly state that they own every single person because they can force them, against their will into national service, or into an unecessary war.


    Your leaders do not consider you even human. They consider you property. That's called slavery. Do you know what groups of people do to other groups of people who they do not even consider human?
     
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    Taliv, you don't watch TV?? What about that commercial from Big Blue about the parts in the truck being "lost"?? They tracked them with Satellite, WHILE the parts were inside a semi's trailer (usually aluminum and would block quite a bit of RF). I could understand it more, had the truck had a GPS system and transponder to do it all.
     
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    So by "they" I take it you mean the government. So who's getting forced against their will into national service these days? Did I miss something?

    You still haven't really answered the "why" question. So I'll ask again: why do you think the government would mandate RFID implants for its citizens? Inquiring minds want to know ...

    Oh, please, give me a break. And -- having spent my adult life in the military, I don't really have a problem with urinalysis, for a couple reasons (1) Nobody is forced to join or stay in the military, it's strictly voluntary; (2) we don't do the type of work where we can afford the luxury of having personnel who routinely use drugs (alcohol abuse is a big enough problem as it is).


    It is possible some folks are watching too many reruns of "The X-Files?"
     
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    I saw a site where people made a scanner that read people's 'bluetooth' computer networks - from the roof of another building. (looked like a bazooka, for style)

    These chips, they will be even easier for people to steal. Can you imagine how many chips a person could download by riding public transit?

    And what information was on these chips? ...Everything? Hmm, house, car, bank, everything eh?

    And, the low-tech crime, someone wants to get your money, or your car, or your house, or all 3 because that's a 'convenience' of this technology. This someone is an alcoholic thug, they don't know how to turn a computer on, or what RFID means. But they to have a newspaper clip that says what the chips do and that people get these chips put in their __________ (insert body part here), and he also has __________ (insert handware tool here). He removes your _____ with his _____ and then takes your car, goes to your ATM and takes your money, and drives your car with your money to your house, where he enters carrying your severed _______ in his pocket and begins to raid your liquor cabinet, and then everything else he perceives to be of value. He finds your firearm safe, and waves your severed _________ in front of it to open the vault of goodies, thinking how much stuff he can trade for them, and which one he can rob the best with. And as he is doing this the door opens and a woman announces, "Honey, you left the door open on your car but I closed it for you."

    And that's just the abuse by one example of criminal. There are also the increased ease for crimes against humanity, and all that good stuff. As well as umpteen other criminal conspiracies that would be invented.

    Yea, great f'in technology there. Anyone who tries to put one in you IS the enemy. I don't care if you were just a tailor, if you were sewing yellow stars on people's clothing you should get the same penalty as the fuhrer. Same principles apply here.
     
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    As I, too, have. I watched the incorpoaration of the urinalysis program and how it transpired over the twenty years I was in. I reluctantly participated, as it was part of my duties. However, I feel my analogy was missed.

    My best guess is that they (the Government) will start tagging pedophiles and then other criminals. After a successful run with them, it will slowly trickle down to become everyone. As someone stated before, what a better way to keep track of your kids ?? I don't like the concept, period.
     
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    I'm sorry, I must have missed the press gangs and the draft. Last I checked every branch of the Armed Forces is all-volunteer, when did that change?

    Just who, if I may ask, has been forced into National Service?

    LawDog
     
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