Rifle, Carbine, Pistol, or Shottie?
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Your friend should have at least 2 guns for defense
You can have a handgun on you at all times, also you can conceal it - I would recommend a full size 38 Special or 357 loaded with 38 +p ammo. Very effective and less chance for an opperator induced error.
Around the house I would recommend something bigger, more powerful, and easier to hit with - either a carbine or shotgun, (whatever they shoot best) in a reasonable caliber (no 22LR, etc.)
The above weapons along with some basic training will cause your friend to be better prepared than the vast majority of people.
You can have a handgun on you at all times, also you can conceal it - I would recommend a full size 38 Special or 357 loaded with 38 +p ammo. Very effective and less chance for an opperator induced error.
Around the house I would recommend something bigger, more powerful, and easier to hit with - either a carbine or shotgun, (whatever they shoot best) in a reasonable caliber (no 22LR, etc.)
The above weapons along with some basic training will cause your friend to be better prepared than the vast majority of people.
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What about an m1 carbine with a folding stock, good for pretty much anything.
longeyes
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AK or AR and a Glock (19/26).
Consider a Springfield Soccom II Kinda expensive but he's only buying one gun anyway, the .308 round gives you stopping power and the 16" barrel means that close range is no problem
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-socom-ii.shtml
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-socom-ii.shtml
haole_boySS
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Only 1 gun huh? Hmm....
Without a doubt, I would go with a shotgun. Benelli Nova comes to mind. They are relatively cheap, built like tanks and are pumps so there is less to malfunction. Get a slug barrel, mag extension, and pistol grip and you have a weapon that will shoot....Bird shot, Buck shot, Slugs, and the nasty tracer/3000 deg burn shots. With that combo of ammo, you can take pretty much any game animal in north america and defend against any danger to you or your family.
Close range would not be a problem. I'm willing to bet that no man or animal could take 12ga Bird Shot to the chest inside 15 yrds. Its gonna leave one hellova mark.
In a SHTF situation, I would not worry about distance shooting with a rifle. You can shoot a good slug gun out to what?? 75-80 yds?? Seriously, if you need to shoot a threat past that distance....Are you sure its really a threat?
Without a doubt, I would go with a shotgun. Benelli Nova comes to mind. They are relatively cheap, built like tanks and are pumps so there is less to malfunction. Get a slug barrel, mag extension, and pistol grip and you have a weapon that will shoot....Bird shot, Buck shot, Slugs, and the nasty tracer/3000 deg burn shots. With that combo of ammo, you can take pretty much any game animal in north america and defend against any danger to you or your family.
Close range would not be a problem. I'm willing to bet that no man or animal could take 12ga Bird Shot to the chest inside 15 yrds. Its gonna leave one hellova mark.
In a SHTF situation, I would not worry about distance shooting with a rifle. You can shoot a good slug gun out to what?? 75-80 yds?? Seriously, if you need to shoot a threat past that distance....Are you sure its really a threat?
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AK and shotgun...?
I say go for the best of both worlds and have him get a saiga shotgun... He can keep a few mags around, some with 00 buck and some with slugs.
I say go for the best of both worlds and have him get a saiga shotgun... He can keep a few mags around, some with 00 buck and some with slugs.
One firearm? ? ?
Yes, one of EACH TYPE you mentioned.
Handgun for the 'up-close-and-personal' stuff
Shotty for up to 40-50 Yds
Carbine for up to 150 Yds or so
Main Battle Rifle in a major power calibre for when ya absolutely gotta put something down NOW
MY artillery cabinet...
Handgun: .45ACP [1911's & a Ruger KP-90]
Shotgun: Maverick88 by Mossberg
Carbine: Yugo 59/66 SKS and a Marlin .30/30,
Main Battle Rifles are Mossberg ATR-100 in .30-06 and a Mosin-Nagant M-44 in 7.62x54
And the Most Serious Artillery...US Rifle Cal .30 M1 Popularly known As "The Garand"
Add a couple of .22LR rifles for small-game getters (If it truly is TEOTWAWKI)
Ruger 10/22 with those Eeeeevil 25-round Butler Creek mags, and an OLD Marlin 99---17 rounds of .22LR in that under-barrel tube mag.
Yes, one of EACH TYPE you mentioned.
Handgun for the 'up-close-and-personal' stuff
Shotty for up to 40-50 Yds
Carbine for up to 150 Yds or so
Main Battle Rifle in a major power calibre for when ya absolutely gotta put something down NOW
MY artillery cabinet...
Handgun: .45ACP [1911's & a Ruger KP-90]
Shotgun: Maverick88 by Mossberg
Carbine: Yugo 59/66 SKS and a Marlin .30/30,
Main Battle Rifles are Mossberg ATR-100 in .30-06 and a Mosin-Nagant M-44 in 7.62x54
And the Most Serious Artillery...US Rifle Cal .30 M1 Popularly known As "The Garand"
Add a couple of .22LR rifles for small-game getters (If it truly is TEOTWAWKI)
Ruger 10/22 with those Eeeeevil 25-round Butler Creek mags, and an OLD Marlin 99---17 rounds of .22LR in that under-barrel tube mag.
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If limited to one, it really needs to be a handgun that can be concealed under bulky clothing. I think the best thing would be a used K frame and a cheap SKS, the combined price of which would be less than buying just about anything new. If a couple of brand new firearms owners couldn't repel boarders with that combo, they weren't going to make it anyway.
Best advice yet.
And since I'll be holed up, a drum-fed AK is the first thing I would reach for, an m1 carbine second, and an AR third. Each has cheap hicaps, is reliable (in the above order) and has penetration enough for shooting through a single wall (in order again) or (house or vehicle) door.
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I have always liked shotguns, and I love handguns. If, howerver, things 'went South' in a hurry, I would reach for the AR180B or AR 15, and not the shotty or pistol.
Reason? Best 'bang for the buck'. Better range, can carry more ammo, and is more effective than any handgun.
Reason? Best 'bang for the buck'. Better range, can carry more ammo, and is more effective than any handgun.
Of the general choices available, I would take a rifle over a shotgun for general use.
Don't get me wrong here. I have hunted with shotguns since I was 12 and I have recently become better acquainted with the defensive variety thanks to my "new" 18.5 inch Mossberg 500. With slugs I would feel reasonably comfortable engaging someone out to 75 yards or so, and with Federal 3" 00 Buck it puts about 8-9 pellets minute-of-torso at 25 yards. I have shot enough slugs and buck out of mine recently to have a decent idea of where to hold to hit and I think I would do OK with it.
But range and precision are two things that I don't have with it. After shooting rifles since I was a kid, those are two things that I appreciate.
For general defensive work and for versatility, the shotgun kicks butt.
But if I knew I was going to get into any kind of a fight I would prefer an FAL, SKS or even the lowly lever action 30-30 over a shotgun.
As for the hunting use, I am thinking that you would be better off to just add $5 worth of canned food, crackers, ramen noodles, or peanut butter every time you go to the store and rotate it from there.
For those who haven't hunted, hunting is alot of work. There is alot of prep between starting out with a loaded gun and eating a peice of venison. It is WAY easier to just go to the pantry and pull out a couple cans of baked beans.
YMMV.
Don't get me wrong here. I have hunted with shotguns since I was 12 and I have recently become better acquainted with the defensive variety thanks to my "new" 18.5 inch Mossberg 500. With slugs I would feel reasonably comfortable engaging someone out to 75 yards or so, and with Federal 3" 00 Buck it puts about 8-9 pellets minute-of-torso at 25 yards. I have shot enough slugs and buck out of mine recently to have a decent idea of where to hold to hit and I think I would do OK with it.
But range and precision are two things that I don't have with it. After shooting rifles since I was a kid, those are two things that I appreciate.
For general defensive work and for versatility, the shotgun kicks butt.
But if I knew I was going to get into any kind of a fight I would prefer an FAL, SKS or even the lowly lever action 30-30 over a shotgun.
As for the hunting use, I am thinking that you would be better off to just add $5 worth of canned food, crackers, ramen noodles, or peanut butter every time you go to the store and rotate it from there.
For those who haven't hunted, hunting is alot of work. There is alot of prep between starting out with a loaded gun and eating a peice of venison. It is WAY easier to just go to the pantry and pull out a couple cans of baked beans.
YMMV.
FotoTomas
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I am a firm believer that every family should have as a minimum the following:
A centerfire rifle
A repeating Shotgun
A service style handgun
A .22 rimfire.
These four firearms will allow any family to survive darn near anything.
The makes and models are open to suggestion but a good example and inexpensive would be...A Winchester 30-30, Mossberg 500, Smith & Wesson model 10 and a Ruger 10-22.
For the rifle you can go a variety of ways such as the AK or SKS options, Expensive AR15 or Ruger Mini-14, Less expensive surplus Enfield or Yugo Mauser. The Shotgun and pistol is also open to a variety of choices. The key is to get them.
If it were me and I was in a bind financially I would go for the shotgun first and then the handgun to be followed up by the rifle and .22.
I see the shotgun as being the first choice to defend the family and houshold after a catastrophe. I survived 3 hurricanes last year and had the shotgun at hand in the house. An excellent show of force and easily recognizable to riff-raff. In my case I also had a GLOCK 26 in the pocket as backup and a "always" armed gun. A KelTec Sub 2000 in 9mm with GLOCK 30 round magazines was also available. I did not get the rifle until this spring and I went with a Colt LE Carbine.
This setup with a Ruger 10-22 rifle and Ruger .22/45 pistol covers any eventuality. I have some extra handguns for competition and concealed carry but they are bonus material.
If I were looking to recommend a system for new shooters I would go for the Mossberg 500 in 20 gauge to start. A S&W Model 10 with a 3 inch barrel to have available if you needed to be armed quietly and a Winchester Model 94 for the rifle. A .22 rifle of most any variety would be last.
I think only one gun is a false economy for emergency use. The need for the significant other to be armed if you must cover the front and rear of the house should not be overlooked. Especially in the event you had the one gun break or get confiscated. A second gun "put up" would not leave you unarmed. Even a lowly .22 Marlin rifle from Wal-Mart would be potent medicine for most looters.
If only one...Shotgun, one each per spouse.
A centerfire rifle
A repeating Shotgun
A service style handgun
A .22 rimfire.
These four firearms will allow any family to survive darn near anything.
The makes and models are open to suggestion but a good example and inexpensive would be...A Winchester 30-30, Mossberg 500, Smith & Wesson model 10 and a Ruger 10-22.
For the rifle you can go a variety of ways such as the AK or SKS options, Expensive AR15 or Ruger Mini-14, Less expensive surplus Enfield or Yugo Mauser. The Shotgun and pistol is also open to a variety of choices. The key is to get them.
If it were me and I was in a bind financially I would go for the shotgun first and then the handgun to be followed up by the rifle and .22.
I see the shotgun as being the first choice to defend the family and houshold after a catastrophe. I survived 3 hurricanes last year and had the shotgun at hand in the house. An excellent show of force and easily recognizable to riff-raff. In my case I also had a GLOCK 26 in the pocket as backup and a "always" armed gun. A KelTec Sub 2000 in 9mm with GLOCK 30 round magazines was also available. I did not get the rifle until this spring and I went with a Colt LE Carbine.
This setup with a Ruger 10-22 rifle and Ruger .22/45 pistol covers any eventuality. I have some extra handguns for competition and concealed carry but they are bonus material.
If I were looking to recommend a system for new shooters I would go for the Mossberg 500 in 20 gauge to start. A S&W Model 10 with a 3 inch barrel to have available if you needed to be armed quietly and a Winchester Model 94 for the rifle. A .22 rifle of most any variety would be last.
I think only one gun is a false economy for emergency use. The need for the significant other to be armed if you must cover the front and rear of the house should not be overlooked. Especially in the event you had the one gun break or get confiscated. A second gun "put up" would not leave you unarmed. Even a lowly .22 Marlin rifle from Wal-Mart would be potent medicine for most looters.
If only one...Shotgun, one each per spouse.
wizard of oz
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FotoTomas is correct. You need a centrefire rifle, handgun, shotgun and .22 to do everything that can be done with a firearm. Anything less than that will leave a deficiency in capability. Doesn't really matter what order you buy them in, though logically a .22 should be a person's first firearm.
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Nevermind...gunkid is gone now....
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