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Any politician who says he will end income tax needs to say exactly how he would fill the money gap.
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Individual incomes taxes account for only approximately one-third of federal revenue.

What would happen if we were to completely abolish the IRS today. The US would have 1/3 less cash than it would otherwise, but the remaining 2/3 would still be more than the entire 2000 budget. This points out two things.


1.) The IRS would be really easy to reform, if not outright abolish. The Government would still have a plethora of avenues to aquire revenue, including constitutional methods: tarrifs and excise taxes. Even if we just abolished the IRS and did nothing else, the government would still have as much incoming revenue as it did in 2000!


2.) If the government would have the same revenue as it did in 2000 by cutting out an entire 1/3 of the budget, what does that say about the government's spending habits?? That means a MASSIVE increase in the budget in just the past six years.
 
I just think it's a little twisted that we've gotten to a point where we can agree with a politician's viewpoint, but still expect him or her to not share it.

For the Browns' sake, I hope they give up and go to trial, but they have stated they will not do so. Instead they are staying in their "fortress", "compound", or whatever it is being called now, and not harming anyone. Realistically, they probably should have taken this case up with the Courts before getting caught in this predicament, but they chose a more passive sort of resistance. I have a tough time finding fault with them for doing things the way they have, but I know that this form of protest won't bring about the type of change they hope for.

I have no problem with Paul stating publicly that he supports their cause. He believes that a Patriot will stand up against oppressive government power, and he says as much. If that reduces his chance to be elected, I think that says more about the general public than about him.

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If anyone is interested in the "perp's" perspective, they might check out the Myspace Page written by a friend of the Browns HERE.
If you are interested in the Government's perspective, then I guess you can turn on the news or open a paper or something.
 
There are a few things about this thread that I just can't believe! The first being that it took 42 posts to get to the fact that Ron Paul never said what AP is saying he said! The second is that he compares them to Ghandi. :what:
 
If you will kindly check post 29 I alluded to swallowing mainstream media offerings without authentication.

I believe Gandhi was well known for peaceful resistance to unjust laws.
 
Mumwaldee,

If I missed your post I apologize but even 29 posts was way too many. My point about Ghandi was that he was known for peaceful resistance. Threatening to use force against the feds would put him the Browns in a totally different category than Ghandi.

MrRezister,

If the Browns want to let that myspace account tell their side of the story I feel sorry for them.
 
Well there is a comparison on the whole "Deal with us peacefully or it will get out of hand." aspect.

Though comparison to Lexington and Concord might be more apt.
 
Self-defence....is the only honourable course where there is unreadiness for self-immolation.

Though violence is not lawful, when it is offered in self-defence or for the defence of the defenceless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission. The latter befits neither man nor woman. Under violence, there are many stages and varieties of bravery. Every man must judge this for himself. No other person can or has the right.
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The Mind of Mahatma Gandhi
 
If the income tax were 100% nobody would pay. The higher the rate, the greater likelyhood that people will not pay.

Government takes as much as they can get away with, so the more tax protesters, the more likely that the government will realize that they are taking too much. We should all be thankful for people with the courage to stand up defiantly like the Browns, who are fighting the tax issue on Constitutional grounds.

I see nothing wrong with what Ron Paul has said. If you go to youtube and find part#1 of the "Lee Rogers Interviews Ron Paul" beginning at 7:01 into the video, you can hear what Ron Paul said. He said that people like this standing up for the Constitution are fighting at their own risk. He said in many ways they are heroic, along the lines of Ghandi and Martin Luther King.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-VNVqtcywU&mode=related&search=

Decide for yourself rather than taking the bias second hand report of the media.
 
Technically, yes it does: one party's violation of a contract does release the other party from his obligations. For example, if you sign a contract to buy a new car, and the dealer says, "Screw it," and never gives you the car, you are not bound to make the car payments anyway.
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The constitution does not fall under the provisions of contract law. In any event, you didn't sign an agreement.
 
The constitution does not fall under the provisions of contract law. In any event, you didn't sign an agreement.
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Actually, the entire intellectual premise of constitutional government is that the constitution is a contract between the state and the governed.
 
The taxes in the 1770's were completely legal, yet they were resisted to the point of independence. Anyone arguing that the tax is Constitutional and therefore should not be resisted tooth and nail, is incorrect. If our ancestors had the attitudes of most people today we'd of never gotten our independence as early as we did.
 
Self-defence....is the only honourable course where there is unreadiness for self-immolation.

Though violence is not lawful, when it is offered in self-defence or for the defence of the defenceless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission. The latter befits neither man nor woman. Under violence, there are many stages and varieties of bravery. Every man must judge this for himself. No other person can or has the right.
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So the Browns aren't ready for self immolation? I'm not buying that what Ghandi said and did, in the context of India under British rule, has any application here. I haven't educated myself enough on this issue to pass judgement on the Browns I just think Ron Paul was wrong to compare them to Ghandi. As a side note I checked out their myspace account. I find it ironic that these people did not pay taxes on over a million dollars of income, own a huge house with a lot of expensive stuff in it to make them self reliant, they own 110 acres and some yahoo sent them money because he thought they might need it.
 
I think it's pretty funny that all the anti Ron Paul folks here are frantic about how he just ruined his chances when they've been screaming for months that he never had a chance to begin with. Please make sure all your crocodile tears don't stain those red, white and blue shirts.

Outrage upon outrage that Paul put his foot in his mouth and dared to compare the Browns to Ghandi but precious little outrage that we are supporting a govt in Iraq which is in bed with the Iranian theocracy:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/26/iraq.main/index.html

"An Iranian state-run news agency reported Tuesday that Jalal Talabani, Iraq's president, arrived in Tehran to "confer with Iranian officials on ways of expanding bilateral ties." The Islamic Republic News Agency said Talabani arrived Tuesday night at Mehrabad airport, where he was greeted by Praviz Fattah, Iran's energy minister. IRNA also reported Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was to "accord formal welcome to Talabani at the president's office."

Meanwhile little outrage that Fred Thompson used to lobby for Haitian president Aristide. That's right Thompson didn't compare Aristitide to Ghandi (Mahatma or Indira) but he did LOBBY for him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/26/ap/politics/main2983338.shtml

"He also was a lobbyist for deposed Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who was widely criticized for endorsing "necklacing," the gruesome practice of execution where gasoline-soaked tires are thrown over a person's neck and set ablaze.

In September 1991, Aristide said: "The buring tire, what a beautiful tool! ... It smells good. And wherever you go, you want to smell it."

Lobbying records show that in 1991 Thompson called then-White House Chief of Staff John Sununu on Aristide's behalf.

Aristide won Haiti's first democratic elections in 1989 and was overthrown in February 2004, fleeing amid an armed rebellion and protests against corruption and other problems."

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www.ronpaul2008.com
 
The constitution does not fall under the provisions of contract law. In any event, you didn't sign an agreement.
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True. That's why it never was binding in the first place, and that's why I'm an anarcho-capitalist. However, the justification for constitutional government is the theory of social contract, which requires government to keep its end of the bargain for the contract to be binding on the governed.

--Len.
 
Funny, I'm not outraged that he compared the Browns to Ghandi. It just doesn't hold water. I thought that comment was slightly stupid but ammusing at the same time. About as amusing as the idea of somebody sending the Browns money. Take a look at their house, I think they've got enough! And you have no idea how I feel about Iraq, Iran or anything else so please don't try to imply anything. As far as Ghandi being a freak, I guess if you think fighting racism, imperialism, crushing poverty caused by taxes and leading a nation to freedom while living a self reliant lifestyle is freaky, so be it. This thread is drifting off into nowhere land and I fell partially responsible so I'm going to sign off and go engage in some JBThuggery.
 
Ron Paul: It was nice knowng you.
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What does this mean? Why would that make him go anywhere?

I'm sure alot of people just LOVE paying income tax!

After reading this I am going to vote for him FOR SURE!
 
As far as Ghandi being a freak, I guess if you think fighting racism, imperialism, crushing poverty caused by taxes and leading a nation to freedom while living a self reliant lifestyle...
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...and giving daily enemas to the young ladies of his ashram. You didn't even bother reading the linked text, of course.

--Len.
 
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