Ron Paul PWNS! Wolf And Giuliani On CNN

[R127]

Ol' Wolfie was trying really, really hard to beat down Paul over the whole "blaming Americans" B.S. and Paul made him and Giuliani look like complete dupes. Here, watch the video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy4Eugc0Xls

The only thing Giuliani managed to do with his phoney baloney emmotional outburst was dammage his own credibility. I will say this about Giuliani, he has Kerry beat by a mile for consistency. On one hand Giuliani dresses up in womens clothes even though he's a male, on the other hand he runs as a republican even though he's really a Democrat. Paul is a 9 term congressman, he's been in office for ten years running. Not only must he be doing something right to keep getting elected but he has way more ability as a leader and representative than that freak from New York. Giuliani can come up with "Ooh snap!" responses to his political adversaries when he feels threat. Paul has facts and logic backing up his positions.

 

[xd9fan]

yeah I'm really tying hard to understand just how Ron "messed up".

 

[MrTuffPaws]

yeah I'm really tying hard to understand just how Ron "messed up".

They are trying to say that 9-11 happened because of American actions in the ME instead of the classic "They hate our freedoms", what ever that means.

 

[DDrake]

He didn't phrase it well at all. His words seemed to blaim the USA and relieve Al Queda of any responsibility.


He could have communicated better but his words simply came out wrong.


Either way, he has no chance now.

 

[Isildur]

Mhh interesting to hear such a statement from a republican candidate.

Is the debate also available on the net?

Btw: What's Ron Paul's position on gun-control?

 

[longhorngunman]

Giuliani didn't damage his own credibility, he just helped make Paul look like a nut, which Paul was doing a fine job of in his own right. Keep drinking that libertarian koolaid. Just once all this settles get behind Fred for the win against Hilldog or Barack Hussein. BTW Giuliani would be a terrible POTUS for other reasons and needs to kept from the nomination at all costs, all Paul did was help Giuliani win, not good.

 

[hoji]

What's Ron Paul's position on gun-control?

Has introduced legislation to repeal all un constitutional gun laws on many occaisions.

 

[Glockfan.45]

Either way, he has no chance now.

As much as I hate to say it I think R.P hung himself in the debates. Rudy cut him down bad ( I will never vote for R.G BTW ). Dr.Paul just is not a good speaker, and he lacks the aggresive attitude to win a debate. I have pretty well lost any hope I had that this country will begin to get back on the right path in 08.

Just once all this settles get behind Fred for the win against Hilldog or Barack Hussein. BTW Giuliani would be a terrible POTUS for other reasons and needs to kept from the nomination at all costs, all Paul did was help Giuliani win, not good.

Get behind Fred, why would I do that? There are more important issues to me than gun control, and Thompson being another "ultra conservative" does not reflect my positions.

 

[Don Gwinn]

Isildur, Ron Paul is a Libertarian who runs as a Republican to get elected. He follows the Libertarian party line on guns as well as most other issues. The problem with that is that he's somewhat isolated even within the Republican party; the Republicans know he's not really "one of them," but he holds down a seat reliably and he has an (R) after his name.

His views on the war, drugs, gun control, etc should be expected to run counter to the Republican party most of the time.

 

[Don Gwinn]

"I am an American and I have the right to criticize policy--if policy is bad and causes blowback, we should change it."

Obviously a pinko extremist nutcase.

 

[seektruth]

Question to those that think Paul is a 'nut': Why is he a 'nut'?

I see a lot of people saying this, but usually their reasoning is "he supports Al Qaeda" or something to that effect. Its pretty clear that is a fabricated reason, I'm just wondering if anybody here has any real reasons.

 

[Erebus]

Perception is reality in politics and after the debate the perception was that Ron Paul is a looney tune and a merry melody.

And it happened on Fox News of all places.

It's going to take more than one slam dunk moment on CNN to put that horse back in the barn. He needs the broad support of the Republican base to win in the primaries. And coming out on Fox News and making a statement that appears consistant with what is viewed as the opinion of the extreme left(right, wrong or indifferent) won him absolutely no points with the base of the republican party. Again, perception is reality.

 

[pacodelahoya]

Why is he a 'nut'?

Because he thinks that the American people don't need nearly as much law and .gov as we have have now. Think of all the .gov emplyees that would be out of work, the welfare people that wouldn't get their handouts. The politicians that would'nt be able to give your money to the National endowment for the arts or those other welfare people. Why who would profit from such an insane system?

We would keep our noses out of other countries bidness unless they messed with us. Would actually have fair trade between countries, the commerce act would actually relate to regulating commerce between states. I ask again, where is the money in that?

The drug wars would end, people would actually be allowed to be free again, Ayn Rand said it decades ago. Some one here has it in his sig line, it goes something like.. we want to turn everyone into criminals, the only way to rule free men is to make them all criminals then cash in on their guilt.

 

[patentmike]

That was strong.

The fact that Guliani is being touted by the media as the "acceptable conservative" ought to be enough to make anyone take a look at the alternatives.

 

[High Planes Drifter]

I've said it before, Paul would do well to hire a publicity advisor/coach. The mans just not good at getting his point across. His strong, direct answers scare most folks; and his eyes remain wide open with his hair uncombed he looks and sounds like a nutty moonbat. He appears awkward and downright uncomfortable when answering questions. He needs to be more subtle, and charismatic; the man really needs some sort of publicity coaching.You can have the best ideas in the world, if you cant sell them they're not worth a dime.

 

[Sry0fcr]

Does the idea of more freedom, lower taxes and less government intervention at home and abroad really need to be sold?

 

[Titan6]

We are at a point where people want lots of government involvement in their lives. They have gotten used to paying high taxes for it. We are very close to most people wanting to kill the 1,200,000,000 muslims in the world. So yes, Paul is a hard sell.

I have said it before I will say it again, Paul is the Lorax of the Republican Party.

 

[gego]

On this issue, here is an interesting take with which I agree:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods68.html

"Ron Paul violated one of the most consistently observed rules of American political life in the GOP debate in South Carolina the other night: government officials are never, ever to level with the American population. The people are to be endlessly flattered, spoken to in bumper-sticker slogans, and in general treated like seven-year-olds.

Congressman Paul crossed another, more specific forbidden line when he contradicted one of the major working assumptions of nearly all mainstream American pundits: foreigners never, ever get angry at the U.S. government’s foreign policy, and would never for any reason want to avenge themselves against it. You can go out of your way to prevent water treatment facilities from being repaired, you can starve and bomb without compunction, and you can bring about half a million deaths, and the people will quietly take it. In fact, they probably spend their time reproaching themselves for having so displeased the U.S. government.

A man of principle and in possession of an IQ above 80, Paul naturally refused to play along. He explained that foreign policy has consequences, and that political and military interference around the world has a tendency to stir up whole peoples against us. If we ignore this simple and obvious fact, we do so at our peril. His implicit conclusion was that the shenanigans of our government have made our people more hated and more vulnerable than ever. In sum, if you want to play empire, you cannot pretend that doing so will be costless."

 

[BrennanKG]

Speaking of primary elections...

I'm from CA where we had open primary elections.
Can any of you Texans confirm for me that TX primaries are not open? I'm assuming that's the case, but I dug around online and found nada.


Thanks,
B.

 

[Correia]

Does the idea of more freedom, lower taxes and less government intervention at home and abroad really need to be sold?

Every idea needs to be sold. This is a primary election, not philosophy class. He's a candidate. A candidate's job is to get elected.

If you fail to get elected, then you failed in your job.

 

[Chad]

Ron Paul's biggest, and maybe only, attraction is that he is a better choice than any of the other current Republican candidates.
He has some flaws, but fewer than the others.

As for his difficulties in expressing his thoughts, don't attach a lot of importance to it.

After all, it didn't keep President Bush from winning the election.

 

[Titan6]

Bush had major backing from most of the conservative special interest groups, Al Gore had major image problems through the dems and even so Pres Bush barely got elected.

Paul has no backers from SI groups the repubs have major image problems.

 

[High Planes Drifter]

Does the idea of more freedom, lower taxes and less government intervention at home and abroad really need to be sold?

To most folks here on THR, well no.


To sheeple everything needs to be sold.

 

[Shipwreck]

I see a lot of debate on the true results of his performance - but I really think he hurt himself at the debate. I guess he could have phrased things better.

 

[Soybomb]

Ron Paul's biggest, and maybe only, attraction is that he is a better choice than any of the other current Republican candidates.

Paul is the only candidate that is for more freedom and a smaller government. He'd be the only president like that we've had since....well a very long time. Sadly our elected officials are too much like movie stars today. It's all about whats on the surface.