Ron Paul PWNS! Wolf And Giuliani On CNN

[rkh]

Mr. Paul isn't the most articulate candidate, but apparently public speaking ability isn't required for the job.

Even after 7 years, I speak can't listen to GW speak without feeling embarrassed for him.

 

[ebd10]

This guy is off the reservation on foreign policy and acts like he is off his meds.

It's a sad day when someone who presents the Constitution as a guideline for foreign policy is considered "off the reservation", and is accused of being irrational when he points out the shortcomings of the current administration.

Maybe we have become so accustomed to electing immoral hucksters that Giuliani IS the logical choice for President.

 

[Titan6]

You have it exactly backwards. If the MSM is doing anything they will try their best to put Paul "leading in the polls". They would like nothing more than the GOP to put this guy up against Hillary. That would be leading the pig to the slaughter. Make no mistake, after conservatives saw Paul in the debates he has little if any grassroots support. Regardless of your position on issues you must look and act like a president to win as a GOP canidate. This guy is off the reservation on foreign policy and acts like he is off his meds. He is not even close to electable. Do not waste time trying to support him, it will only help to secure a Hillary presidency.

Really? On social issues Paul calls for zero interference at the Federal level. This is the next best thing to having the tax payers buy the abortions, pornography and drugs for the people. The left wing would have a tough time there. Certainly would be confusing times anyway.

 

[precisionshootist]

Really? On social issues Paul calls for zero interference at the Federal level. This is the next best thing to having the tax payers buy the abortions, pornography and drugs for the people. The left wing would have a tough time there. Certainly would be confusing times anyway.

You missed my point. It does not matter where he stands on issues at this point. He does not look and act like a president or world leader by any stretch of the imagination. He is not electable. The MSM will pump him up because they want someone that is weak as an opponent. He would get killed in the general election.

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

The only worry we could have is that in these polls he's winning, it's Democrats voting for him (because obviously in the Republican Primary it's Republicans voting). If he has enough Conservative support, then Democrats voting for him helps him out.

I do believe that Paul would actually be better at getting independents than any other candidate simply because he means what he says, and says what he means.

When this all began, I thought Paul had no chance. Now I do think he has a chance. An extremely small chance, but a small one atleast. I believe this more than ever now that he won the text message poll.

Granted, I still stand by what I've said before, if Ron Paul wins, he will be die. Maybe a mysterious food poisoning. Maybe a plane crash. Maybe a sniper's bullet. But he will die.

Granted, I believe RP is willing to give up his life to protect and defend the constitution. I don't think any of the other candidates that can be said of. And because of that, he deserves everyone's vote.

 

[R127]

That is just laughable. He looks and acts the part of a president better than Bush or any of the clowns they are running against him. Hair gel does not make a president. Emmotional outbursts do not make a president.

I will confess that being a known man-kisser and cross-dresser probably would give Giuliani a psychological advantage over foreign dignitaries who would just want to escape his presence at any cost.

But even then, when it comes to actual negotiations and policy a sound mind well grounded in logic and supported by the facts, such as Paul, trumps all else. On top of that Paul has ten times the grace under fire of any other politician I've ever seen, as evidenced by his easy handling of Wolf's assault in the topic video.

 

[budney]

I will confess that being a known man-kisser and cross-dresser probably would give Giuliani a psychological advantage over foreign dignitaries who would just want to escape his presence at any cost.

In most of the world, men kiss in greeting. It's one of those reasons I'm glad I grew up in the US.

--Len.

 

[gego]

Wolf Blitzer gave Ron Paul ample opportunity to explain his position, which reflected quite favorable both on Wolf and Ron Paul.

On the other hand, FOX new's John Gibson did a piece with Michelle Malkin where he deliberately distorted what Ron Paul said and tried to imply that Ron Paul said the US government was involved in the attack, placing him in among the likes of Rosie O'Donnel as a 9/11 kook.

The Gibson story is blatant distortion; an example of the terrible journalism. I find John Gibson disgusting.

Here is the the story:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/yet_another_fox_news_smear_job_on_ron_paul_alex_jones.htm

 

[General Geoff]

He is not electable. The MSM will pump him up because they want someone that is weak as an opponent. He would get killed in the general election.

I disagree. I think he is entirely electable, and much more electable than any of the other candidates I've seen. The last president I'd dare compare to him would be JFK. JFK certainly had more charisma, but Ron Paul has everything else in spades.

 

[Tim James]

Does this really need that much discussion? You either believe one or two things:

1. The people of the world are generally good and will not be aggressive to your country, its allies, or its interests unless provoked. (Or that a country should not have interests outside of it anyway.)
2. The people of the world have been hating on each other for tens of thousands of years for stupid reasons and will attack out of religious or national fervor that is manipulated by powerful interests. If an excuse is available, they will use it to win the propaganda campaign. It is best to deal with these entities that hate you (for religious or national reasons) pre-emptively.

They're two fundamentally different viewpoints and we're using superficial current events to debate them.

 

[TallPine]

You either believe one or two things

Actually, both of those can be true to a certain extent ...

#1 is true for the vast majority of people who just want to enjoy their lives and their families and have a few nice things (like food, shelter, and clothing) along the way

#2 is true for a significant minority, who are just looking for an excuse to whack someone. The USA has generally obliged in providing them excuses

 

[Werewolf]

Referring to Ron Paul one Poster Said:

he means what he says, and says what he means.

When I read that the first thing that popped into my head was a vision of Jack Nicholson standing up in front of all 300 million Americans and shouting out:

TRUTH! TRUTH!! YOU - CAN'T - HANDLE - THE TRUTH...

And that's why Ron Paul isn't electable.

Americans (there are exceptions) can't handle the truth. What's worse is they don't even want the option to handle the truth. Americans want their behinds kissed, to be coddled and told everything is OK and all is right with the world. They're too busy, too stupid, too illiterate, too irresponsible, too self actuated, too self centered and too ate up with the acquisition of the almighty dollar to ever want to have to deal with the truth.

Truth? Truth! In America perception is truth and the perception is whatever the MSM, the politico-washington-scum and hollywierd want it to be.

Any politician that has the temerity to stand up and tell the truth is digging his own political grave at the same time.

 

[antarti]

Maybe we have become so accustomed to electing immoral hucksters that Giuliani IS the logical choice for President.

FWIW, we have become largely like the former Soviet countries, responding well to and fawning over "strongmen" who promise to fix all problems and clean up all messes, and look good/strong doing it. There is definitely a pro-Authoritarian bent in the country, and especially true in the media. I think this is why so much money/support/media flock to Rudy.

Rudy has been consistently authoritarian for a long time, and thus is "reliable" for those that make their way through government coercion. To me, there is nothing more dangerous than a former NY AG, they have a long history (back to the depression, and probably longer) of being the most dishonest, two-faced, and authoritarian scum.

What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01E2D9173CF933A15750C0A962958260

 

[Geister]

Giuliani didn't damage his own credibility, he just helped make Paul look like a nut, which Paul was doing a fine job of in his own right. Keep drinking that libertarian koolaid. Just once all this settles get behind Fred for the win against Hilldog or Barack Hussein

longhorngunman, I think Ron Paul has a lot more knowledge on politics and how the world works than you do.

Fred isn't running officially, so don't jump on his bandwagon so soon.

 

[Geister]

Rudy cut him down bad

How can Rud cut anyone down "bad" when Rudy wasn't even speaking the truth?

 

[budney]

What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

DANG! I honestly never thought I'd live to hear a politician come right out and say "Slavery is Freedom." Big Brother 2008!

--Len.

 

[JWarren]

In people like Rudy's mind, they believe slavery IS freedom--- freedom from responsibility, freedom from pressure, freedom from insecurity.

Sadly, I DO think a large contingent of our population DOES feel this way.


If there was every a single statement that should steel the determination of America to defeat Giuliani, that should be it.


-- John

 

[Titan6]

You missed my point. It does not matter where he stands on issues at this point. He does not look and act like a president or world leader by any stretch of the imagination. He is not electable. The MSM will pump him up because they want someone that is weak as an opponent. He would get killed in the general election.

Now that does not even make sense. They have completly ignored him to this point. Now you are saying if he does get any attention it is because the media is looking for a straw man? Not a chance of that. If they want that than they can support Tommy Veri-chip Thompson.

 

[gego]

Americans (there are exceptions) can't handle the truth. What's worse is they don't even want the option to handle the truth. Americans want their behinds kissed, to be coddled and told everything is OK and all is right with the world. They're too busy, too stupid, too illiterate, too irresponsible, too self actuated, too self centered and too ate up with the acquisition of the almighty dollar to ever want to have to deal with the truth.

While I suspect this might be true, we can't be sure because it has not been tried yet.

 

[Marshall]

Ron Paul....."It's because we're there". Yea, right.

Let's leave and watch what happens. There will be peace everywhere, right? Ha! We'll still have an enemy in the *******. What other country rescued an Arab/heavily Muslim country? I know we did in Kuwait. You can't change what radical Muslims believe and want, our death, period. I guess it's just all our fault. Maybe if we were just more like them...........

I was actually hoping to see Ron Paul take a national stage and make sense on issues that would help himself and us as gun owners. He blew it. Too bad, I wish he hadn't.

 

[precisionshootist]

They have completly ignored him to this point. Now you are saying if he does get any attention it is because the media is looking for a straw man?

He got the attention in the debates. The wrong kind of attention. The MSM will just fan the fire of hope on a weak GOP canidate. He does not make the GOP or the RKBA cause look good and that's good for liberals.

 

[Fifth Column]

It looks like the debate on June 5th will be moderated by Wolf Blitzer, he gave Paul a fair chance so that is some decent news.

 

[budney]

Let's leave and watch what happens. There will be peace everywhere, right? Ha! We'll still have an enemy in the *******.

Yup--we'll be like war-torn Switzerland.

But of course there won't be peace everywhere. We don't care about peace everywhere. If some primitives want to blow up some other primitives, that's more or less their problem. We just want to avoid needless bloodshed personally, by refraining from wars of conquest.

--Len.

 

[Kaylee]

First.. no, Paul wasn't speaking the truth. He was picking out bits and pieces of truth to support his position.

Yes, we have had a military presence in the area for some time, and that ticks some people off. And certainly, we made some nasty friendships of convenience, in large part due to the cold war with the USSR. So that much is true.

HOWEVER it totally ignores the xenophobic militancy of radical Islam. That is something which drives the Jihadis in a way most western minds simply cannot comprehend, and so we try to explain their actions away in our own terms... political this, economic that.

And that is simply not true. As stupid as it sounds, they really do "hate our freedoms" whether you're talking about boobies on TV or representative government.

Our foreign actions make a nice excuse, and may well bring us to the top of the target list (after the USSR, which OBL still claims credit for bringing down) .. but they sure as heck didn't put the boxcutters in their hands, the bombs in their jackets, or the evil in their hearts.

-K

 

[anotherKevin]

Personally, I don't think RP is a nutter, I've read plenty of solid opinion pieces by him for me to be able to evaluate him on his own merits.

It's his rabid support base that has me worried.