Ron Paul to Join First Presidential Debate

[Libertylover]

http://www.ussliberty.org/

Yeah, Israel is such a great "friend" of the United States... With "friends" like that...

Oh, and if you want money going to Israel to help in their fight against the Muslims, than DONATE! DO NOT think that it's okay for our government to STEAL from me AT GUNPOINT to send MY HARD EARNED MONEY to Israel, who I couldn't care less about.

Charity is for churches, NOT for governments!

 

[Autolycus]

It is really refreshing to know that he will be given a chance.

However I strongly belive that the Anti-War stance will ostracize a lot of the GOP. The same people who bought into the idea that that if you do not support the war your Un-American.

I also think that he will have a hard time with his views on abortion are my only problem with him. He is pro-life but feels that the proper way to go about becoming a pro-life nation is to reaappeal Roe vs. Wade. He suggests that the states be allowed to decide their own stances on abortions. I myself am Pro-choice but I can tolerate this idea. I do believe it is a matter of local government to decide what is right. However in the overall idea I understand that I may dislike their conclusion.

Here is a link to that...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul240.html

As for his views on Gay marriage I see the Christian Right gnashing their teeth. I think that they will let their homophobia affect the way they vote and will refuse to vote for Ron Paul on that basis alone. I do think that he is right when he suggests that the government should not be in the marriage business. Let us not forget that GWB tried to get people to go to marriage counseling.

Link to his writing about that...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul160.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul151.html

I disagree with him on the abortion views but I can stomach his ideas. However on one other issue I do feel he is wrong and I will open a seperate thread about it.

 

[RealGun]

I think it is pathetic that the issue of Ron Paul's candidacy comes down to positions on abortion and gay marriage. It seems to me that the agenda needs to change to the real business of government. This social engineering nonsense is getting old. Anyone who cares so much about those issues is not going to vote for Ron Paul anyway. Forcing others to see things our way, when it's no skin off our nose, is anathema to the philosophy that he represents.

 

[Autolycus]

Ah but it will matter to some. The Christian Right is very much against those things and wishes to cram their beliefs down our throats.

 

[tcgeol]

Ah but it will matter to some. The Christian Right is very much against those things and wishes to cram their beliefs down our throats.

Completely unlike the "atheist" Left, of course, who has no desire to tell me what I have to believe as long as I agree with them. (Of course, I know not all atheists are on the left.) Naturally, your view on these issues is legitimate and ours is not.

This idea of the "Christian Right" being a bunch of "Christofacists" and "Theocrats", as we have been called on this board a number of times, tells me that you all who use such terms are as ignorant of us as a well-meaning anti is of the 2nd Amendment. The great majority of us are on the RKBA side. While the liberals on the board object to being excluded because of other issues as long as they are pro-gun, so do we.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Tecumseh, take a stroll at any high school or especially college in America, and mention that you may be a Christian. You'll see exactly how tolerant the Left is then. I'm not talking about "prayer in schools"(although that is another example of the intolerance of the Left), I just mean mention it. Go take, say, a religion class. Or a philosophy class. Or a political science class. When answering a question, let it slip that you believe in Christianity. Be prepared for 90% of the class to start yelling at you, and be prepared to fail the class as well.

 

[Titan6]

Gosh Taurus I have taken lots of classes as a Christian and not failed any of them. Nearly all of them at secular schools. I have never had anyone make fun of me for my religious beliefs either. I don't know where you go to school but if that is happening than you need to straight to the EO rep at your school and file a complaint. If that dosen't work than you need to find a real lawyer and file a real law suit against the school.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Well you live in Texas. I live in Ann Arbor Michigan. I can see where our experiences would differ.

 

[RealGun]

We have conspiracy theories and we have persecution theories. They are all likely to be nonsense or only true anecdotally or in a narrow context.

 

[Libertylover]

For those of you in NH, there's a demonstration in support of Dr. Paul being put together for that night outside the venue, which is Saint Anslem college in Manchester. I'll come by with more info once it becomes available.