Savage 10FP -- WOW!

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My AR has been needing a companion for a while, so I've been shopping for a .223 bolt action. I took the plunge yesterday and bought a new Savage 10FP rifle in .223 with a Nikon 4.5x14 scope. Total price for the rifle, the scope, Leupold mounts, Leupold rings, a leather military style sling, a set of sling swivels, and 2 boxes of Black Hills ammo was $924 including tax.

My son and I went to Ben Avery today to try it out. While he happily burned through a brick of .22lr, I did the 'shoot one, clean, repeat' break in procedure for 20 shots, then fired 3 groups "for the record" at 100 yards using a Caldwell front and rear bag combo for support on the bench. Here's what I ended up with after the smoke cleared:

Black Hills 68 gr HP: 3 shots .51"
Black Hills 55 gr Nosler BT: 3 shots .42"
Winchester Q3131a 55 gr FMJ: 2 shots .40 with a 3rd called flyer which opened the group to 1.1"


This thing seems to have potential.
:) :)

Tonight I'm ordering a Bell and Carlson Duramax stock for it to replace the flimsy factory stock. I was going to try using epoxy to stiffen the factory piece, but after shooting it I decided to just replace it. Hmmmm....I wonder if a bipod will fall into the box the stock is shipped in? :D

Handload development starts tomorrow night............If people are interested, I'll post an update when I get a chance to shoot it again.

Len in Phoenix
 
that bha stuff is good stuff... especially if you are shooting the red box ('bha match' headstamp). excellent brass to reload for accuracy.

don't do the duramaxx stock... it isn't enough of an improvement over what'cha got to warrant it. just glass bed your rifle now, and save your pennies for a real nice stock later... no sense in replacing it now, then replacing it again next month, etc.
 
Savage makes a great gun for the $$, no doubt about it. My 12FV is a true tack driver straight from box.

One minor point of contention tho, 3 shot groups tell you next to nothing about the gun's accuracy. I would string in 5 or 10 shot groups to see what it's really capable of.

I have guns that will put 3 in the same hole, but cannot keep that up for 10 rounds. Certainly during load development this is crucial to find an optimum load, IMHO.
 
FORGET about B&C!! they're not worth the what you save cost wise over a stock from SharpShooters Supply

guess where those POS factory synthetic stocks on savages come from....

granted they are not duramax stocks, but the duramax has problems "out of the box" that negate the improvments that were made, namely the inletting is botched and you have to carve on, then glass bed the thing, just to get it to the point you'd be at with one of the units from SSS.

for a savage you won't do much better than the products from SSS, and DEFINATELY not without a considerable higher outlay of cash.
 
I'll disagree on the Duramax stock opinions above. I had a Choate Super Sniper on my 10FP for a while, (great for prone/bench, AWFUL for carrying), and I replaced it with a B&C and the rifle shoots every bit as accuratey as it did with the Choate and it doesn't weigh a ton. My buddy has a McMillan on his 10FP and the two guns basically shoot identically. Why would I spend the $$$ on a McMillan for zero improvement?
 
I appreciate the advice on the stock, but it's already been shipped. I'll check it out when it arrives and make a decision after I've had a chance to compare it to the factory stock. I've yet to try out Midway's return system, but from what I've heard they are easy to work with.

I'll post an update after I've examined it.

Len in Phoenix
 
Well if it's on it's way....

what to look for is an out of kilter recoil lug recess, recess is molded just a touch "not perpendicular" to the barrel channel causing the barrel to rub one side of the channel, also a few have reported coming across examples where the lug recess, was shallower on one side than the other, and/or pinched in on the sides thus not allowing the lug to seat properly.

let us know how yours turns out, maybe they've finally fixed this issue but i doubt it.


one last thing, i hope that you made sure that the stock is the one inletted for the accu-trigger (there is a slight change requiring adittional room in the trigger area inlett).

all the problems mentioned can be fixed with files, dremel, etc and bedding compound. i just would rather have a stock that is closer to "true drop in".
 
granted they are not duramax stocks, but the duramax has problems "out of the box" that negate the improvments that were made, namely the inletting is botched and you have to carve on, then glass bed the thing, just to get it to the point you'd be at with one of the units from SSS.
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The problem is not the Duramax stock. The Duramax stock is flawless.

The problem is that the recoil lug on the savage rifle is not on perfectly straight.

This problem can be fixed by either loosening the barrel nut and fixing the recoil lug, or simple making the lug recess bigger on the duramax to accomodate the out of kilter lug.

If you doubt what I say, take your savage out of the stock and examine the recoil lug you will note that it sticks out slightly more on one side of the reciever than the other, enlarge the lug recess in the duramax on the side that sticks out more and the problem will be fixed.

The savage stock has a slightly larger opening for the lug so the problem is not apparent with the original stock.

I know this because I called Bell and Carleson before I fixed mine last year and they pointed it out to me.

If you do a search I posted a thread on how to fix it.
 
I had a 110 FP in 2506, and in my opinion the factory pillar bed stock is adequate, and would be ideal if bedded. In a heavy barreled 223 like the savage, as long as its floated and pillar bed its going to be close to as good as it gets. That stock doesn't need to be "stiffer". The factory material's integrity under the very light 223 recoil is completely satisfactory. I totally understand not liking the feel of it though. I really like the looks of these setups that I have seen. I am trying to figure out what to do with my Vanguard. Its got a regular plastic stock and I would like to replace it with something good too.
 
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I have a Savage 12FV .223, which is basically the same as the 10FP and it shoots great.

I too added a Duramaxx stock to replace the factory stock. The stock did fit close to the right side of the barrel, but I relieved some of the area as mentioned by Master Blaster and everything is good!
 
First I've heard of B&C being junk:confused: Love my Medalist Varmint stock, aluminum bedding block, but more money the the Duramax, too.
 
Congrats on the new rifle! How to you like the trigger on it? And give us some pics when you have the new stock on, please!

Good job by the other members regarding the stock and lug. I learned a lot from this thread! :cool:
 
awesome results, and good shooting. congrats. you got a great rifle especially for the money. i am looking at getting a .308 bolt gun and i have been eyeing the savage model 10 for a while. the ones that i have shot have been very accurate, and i actually like the accu trigger alot. thanks for sharing. do you have any pics?
 
ROFL! Over 5 years later and my thread comes back from the dead.

The .223 Savage has become my favorite rifle....it is boringly consistent with just about any ammo I feed it. It also has an odd trait: it groups tighter as the barrel heats up. No worries about the 10 shot groups. <big smile>

It also acquired a big brother a few years ago: a matching 10FP in .308. The .308 isn't quite as accurate as the .223, but still will shoot under 3/4" at 100yards easily. The .308 has a pronounced preference for Nosler bullets, but the .223 doesn't really care.

I really like the AccuTrigger and recommend it highly.

Here they are together:

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Len in PHoenix
 
beautiful rifles. I like how the stock kinda accents the ss scope. BTW I have pretty much the exact same setup as you but I have the savage 12fv not the 10 and mine is in .22-250. Did you get the BDC reticle on your nikon? I have one on my 6x18x40 and absolutely love it. a ground hog is surely dead at 400 and cotoye at 500+.

Heres a pic of mine, check it out:

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and as for the durramax stocks, do any of you guys that are downplaying it actually own one? There's alot of armchair experts on the internet that love to bash other products just because they spent twice the amount on the competitors stock instead of just buying a BC and saving alot of money. Not trying to discredit anyone if they actually owned one but if you didn't then you don't REALLY know what your talking about.

I love my BC. I had a choate ultimate varmint stock which was excellent on my bench but sucked to carry around. So I sold that and got the BC. I didn't notice any loss of accuracy nor gain. It was pretty much the same. I plan on glass bedding it to ring as much accuracy out of it as possible.

check out SSS for the tactical bolt knob that I've got on mine. I really like it over the large knob that came on it.
 
as for the durramax stocks, do any of you guys that are downplaying it actually own one? There's alot of armchair experts on the internet that love to bash other products just because they spent twice the amount on the competitors stock instead of just buying a BC and saving alot of money.
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I'll answer for my own part, since I was one of the ones who made a negative comment.

Prior to my original posting I tried a Durramax on an older 110FP, at that time i'll admit i didn't know my butt from shoe polish RE: aftermarket stocks. At that time I didn't like the fact that B&C advertized it as "Drop-in" but i couldn't get the stock and action to sit square to each other without surgery (this was in part due to a lack of confidence to tinker withteh stock on my part). I returned the stock unaltered, put the factory stock back on and wound up selling that rifle to pay Med bills soon after.

Over 5 and a half years have passed, I've learned better and have honestly changed my opinion. If I currently needed a stock for a savage I would seriously consider a Durramax. as it is one of the A2 medalists is in competition with a Choate Ultimate for my current 700 SPS-V. But since i'm not likely to need to carry this rifle any further than from truck to bench, the heavier choate is in the lead there.
 
I really liked the choate but wasn't extremely keen on how it looked. I was kinda shooting for the M40a1 look on mine. I got a lot of weird looks when i had the choate stock on my rifle. It just looks like it was made to shoot "someone" instead of "something". Its just got that black evil rifle look. I wasn't too fond of that. I did like the pistol grip on it and wide forend. plus the removable anschutz (sp?) rail. It had alot of favorable features but it was just so damn heavy I didn't like carrying it about a mile one way to go coyote hunting. It was great for ground hog because you just stick the gun out the truck window and let the lead fly.
 
I was kinda shooting for the M40a1 look on mine......

....It had alot of favorable features but it was just so damn heavy I didn't like carrying it about a mile one way to go coyote hunting.
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Yeah, personally i'd prefer the M40/M24 look. But one of my goals is to get my wife to shoot this rifle. and to that end nearly doubling the all up weight of the rifle is a GOOD thing:). If i could get a Medalist A2 that weighed the same as the choate, i'd buy it. Also the $50+ price savings has some attraction as well.

to be honest, the stock i wish i could find again is one that was discontinued a few years back. basicly it was a semi-fancy walnut stock cut and finished to Vietnam era M40 external specs, but with a modern bedding block incorporated. but like i said the company that made it discontinued it's sale to the general public about the time Remington put out their "40th aniversary M40" or whatever it was called.
 
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