savage or browning

[troy fairweather]

i have a savage 111 in 300rum i dont have much use for right now if we had elk or me the money id keep it around. my dad has a browning ablot in 7wsm and wants to trade me for my savage. the abolt is a early wsm gun think its a composite stalker but does not say on the barrel syn stock matte finish bbl. he has dies 2 boxes of ammo and about 50 once fired brass. no scope on ether gun. i love me my 7mms its more gun then i need but if i hunt some big fields it will reach out better then my 7x57. just like to see what you would do. i think ill trade he.

 

[LoonWulf]

Browning, and your right, that is a composite stalker.
I own both, and ill always chose an Abolt over a Savage....unless the abolt is in a cartridge i REALLY dont like. All around nicer gun than the Savage, tho the savage MAY actually be more accurate on average.

Cartridge wise, yes the 7 WSM is probably a bit much for the hunting youve described before, but not nearly so bad as that RUM.

 

[troy fairweather]

Browning, and your right, that is a composite stalker.
I own both, and ill always chose an Abolt over a Savage....unless the abolt is in a cartridge i REALLY dont like. All around nicer gun than the Savage, tho the savage MAY actually be more accurate on average.

Cartridge wise, yes the 7 WSM is probably a bit much for the hunting youve described before, but not nearly so bad as that RUM.

thanks the abolt was a good shooter last i seen about 15 years ago. im thinking of making it my rainy day gun. i can down load it with 150 or 160 at like 2700 to 2800 and be fine. need to find a good powder for it im guessing any slower then 4350 is good.

 

[LoonWulf]

lemme run it thru quickloads but im betting 4350 should be a good one for its case capacity at that velocity.

 

[LoonWulf]

Cartridge : 7 mm WSM
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler Accubond LR 58734 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 72.062 grain H2O = 4.679 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 23.0 inch = 584.2 mm
Powder : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 73 48.00 2383 1892 31676 9474 92.3 1.539
-18.0 74 49.20 2438 1979 33595 9757 93.3 1.504
-16.0 76 50.40 2492 2069 35619 10031 94.3 1.471
-14.0 78 51.60 2547 2160 37754 10296 95.2 1.434
-12.0 80 52.80 2601 2253 40005 10552 96.0 1.395
-10.0 82 54.00 2655 2347 42379 10796 96.8 1.356
-08.0 84 55.20 2708 2443 44882 11029 97.4 1.320
-06.0 85 56.40 2762 2541 47521 11249 98.0 1.284
-04.0 87 57.60 2815 2639 50305 11456 98.6 1.250
-02.0 89 58.80 2868 2739 53241 11649 99.0 1.217
+00.0 91 60.00 2920 2841 56339 11827 99.4 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 93 61.20 2973 2943 59608 11990 99.6 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 94 62.40 3024 3046 63060 12137 99.8 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
+06.0 96 63.60 3076 3151 66706 12267 100.0 1.098 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 98 64.80 3127 3256 70560 12380 100.0 1.070 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 100 66.00 3177 3362 74634 12482 100.0 1.044 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 91 60.00 3031 3061 65512 11513 100.0 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 91 60.00 2766 2548 47222 11646 95.1 1.287

 

[troy fairweather]

Cartridge : 7 mm WSM
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler Accubond LR 58734 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 72.062 grain H2O = 4.679 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 23.0 inch = 584.2 mm
Powder : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 73 48.00 2383 1892 31676 9474 92.3 1.539
-18.0 74 49.20 2438 1979 33595 9757 93.3 1.504
-16.0 76 50.40 2492 2069 35619 10031 94.3 1.471
-14.0 78 51.60 2547 2160 37754 10296 95.2 1.434
-12.0 80 52.80 2601 2253 40005 10552 96.0 1.395
-10.0 82 54.00 2655 2347 42379 10796 96.8 1.356
-08.0 84 55.20 2708 2443 44882 11029 97.4 1.320
-06.0 85 56.40 2762 2541 47521 11249 98.0 1.284
-04.0 87 57.60 2815 2639 50305 11456 98.6 1.250
-02.0 89 58.80 2868 2739 53241 11649 99.0 1.217
+00.0 91 60.00 2920 2841 56339 11827 99.4 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 93 61.20 2973 2943 59608 11990 99.6 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 94 62.40 3024 3046 63060 12137 99.8 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
+06.0 96 63.60 3076 3151 66706 12267 100.0 1.098 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 98 64.80 3127 3256 70560 12380 100.0 1.070 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 100 66.00 3177 3362 74634 12482 100.0 1.044 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 91 60.00 3031 3061 65512 11513 100.0 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 91 60.00 2766 2548 47222 11646 95.1 1.287

ok thanks so like 55 56gr should be good. i cant remember are the wsm abolts a short or long action with a filler in the mag. and i remember hearing about brownings with gold triggers are the better trigger probably just bs talk i over herd

 

[LoonWulf]

ok thanks so like 55 56gr should be good. i cant remember are the wsm abolts a short or long action with a filler in the mag. and i remember hearing about brownings with gold triggers are the better trigger probably just bs talk i over herd

Yeah that should produce a decent fill and get the velocity range your looking for.

The WSM Abolts we're all short action I believe, Ive never seen one that wasn't.

The gold triggers are just kinda a Browning "thing"
Some of the double barrel shotguns I think had some difference in their triggers, but the rifles do not. Again as far as I know.

My Abolts trigger is better than most of it's contemporaries, and about on par with the surprisingly good (comparatively) factory triggers most guns have now.

 

[jmr40]

I've had several 7mm and 30 caliber magnum rifles over the years. I have no issue with someone using one if they want to, but after a careful assessment of reality sold mine. I have a couple of 30-06 rifles that I've had for decades with too much history to sell, but I came to the conclusion they were bigger than I needed for the vast majority of my hunting.

My primary rifles now are 308, but anything in that class, (7-08, 260, 6.5CM,or 7X57) would be just as good. With my handloads, or some of the better factory loads with todays premium bullets I'd not feel handicapped shooting elk at 400 yards with any of those cartridges. That is about the limit of my comfort zone when shooting at game, and elk is the biggest animal I'll ever hunt. The 30-06, 270, 280 class of cartridges would add a little bit of insurance by hitting a little harder. But I just didn't see where any of the magnums started to have an edge until you start taking 600 yard shots, and that is just farther than I feel comfortable shooting at game.

If I were going back to anything with "magnum" on the headstamp it would be one of the WSM's. I had a 300 WSM for a while and found it accurate, easy to load for with much more pleasant to shoot than 300 WM. Especially from lighter weight rifles. It won't quite match 300 WM speeds, but easily beat 30-06. I felt that the trade off of slightly less bullet velocity for less recoil was a good one. I don't see why 7mmWSM wouldn't be the same.

 

[cdb1]

I like A-Bolts much better than any Savage except for the Model 99.

 

[someguy2800]

I’d make that trade every day of the week. Better rifle, better cartridge.

 

[SwampWolf]

The A-Bolt does have a unique magazine configuration that always puzzled me why it was never more popular. It loads "conventionally" but also permits carrying a spare, relatively quick reload. This feature should probably never be a reason to choose one rifle over another for its own sake but it is an interesting and useful magazine form.

 

[LoonWulf]

Last time out I used the quick switch magazines. Fired 5 shots total. Just switching mags is alot easier than trying to shove rounds in the top, tho I could probably have gotten away with single loading.

Having spare mags in your pocket make alot less noise, and/or are faster to load than other options

 

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

Browning any day---every day

 

[js8588]

I just put 2 X-Bolts on layaway (a Medallion Safari Grade in 30-06 & a White Gold Medallion Maple in 270 Winchester).

Make the trade.

 

[LoonWulf]

White Gold Medallion Maple in 270 Winchester

I almost hated you...but you got the .270, so im ok with it now

 

[troy fairweather]

I almost hated you...but you got the .270, so im ok with it now

last abolt my dad had before the 7wsm stalker was a medallion grade v octagon slick looking gun with he still had it only one around here.

 

[troy fairweather]

I just put 2 X-Bolts on layaway (a Medallion Safari Grade in 30-06 & a White Gold Medallion Maple in 270 Winchester).

Make the trade.

thanks for the post and two fine rifles there.

 

[LoonWulf]

last abolt my dad had before the 7wsm stalker was a medallion grade v octagon slick looking gun with he still had it only one around here.

.....that right there, in 7mm remington magnum is pretty close to a holy grail gun for me. I can find regular Medallions pretty regularly, but not the octagon barreled guns.

 

[troy fairweather]

i love the look of the hells canon browning

 

[troy fairweather]

.....that right there, in 7mm remington magnum is pretty close to a holy grail gun for me. I can find regular Medallions pretty regularly, but not the octagon barreled guns.

it was in 7rm

 

[LoonWulf]

your (maybe I am) lucky there is a swear filter......

 

[troy fairweather]

your (maybe I am) lucky there is a swear filter......

dads bringing the rifle down on Tuesday with they made a mannlicher

 

[js8588]

.....that right there, in 7mm remington magnum is pretty close to a holy grail gun for me. I can find regular Medallions pretty regularly, but not the octagon barreled guns.

Here ya go. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/774527614

 

[LoonWulf]

Here ya go. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/774527614

OOO shiny....soooo shiny....
I almost ordered one of those a while back, I really like the maple stocks for some reason.

What im really looking for tho is the exact rifle Troys dad had, the older Abolt 2 grad v octo. Id sell or trade most of the guns ive got for one of those

 

[js8588]

I'm 95% sure the 270 is going to end up belonging to my fiancee (soon to be wife. Wedding is in October) depending on how it fits her & how she deals with the recoil.

This is my 3rd attempt at bringing a 270 into the family. First was a very nice Zastava M70 that I loved but had to sell when money was tight a few years back, 2nd was a Winchester M70 Supergrade Maple. Beautiful rifle but just didn't fit either one of us.

I KNOW the monte carlo-ish Browning Medallion stocks fit me. If she falls in love with it though, guess these X-Bolts will end up being a "his & hers" affair.