Say it isn't so! Maybe move to Cali

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So my boss's boss come up to me and asks how I would like to live in Cali. It seems my skill set is in high demand and they are willing to make a very lucrative offer. The job would be in the San Fran area but I guess I could live anywhere within driving distance. Already knowing I would have to give up my AK, what else am I looking at? Any decent CCW counties in the vicintiy? Not too spendy places to live that wouldn't requier an armored strong hold? Not that I really want to move to cali, but hey, you guys could sure use some voting help down there.

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aaa, yea, you're also looking at a total handgun ban in san fran, bunch of anti-gun hippies smoking pot, hybrid cars, and no smoking in any public places (including, say, the sidewalk). did i mention the devil sponed Pelosi there? CCW in san fran area, i don't think so. you're basically looking at the most liberal communist breeding grounds in the western hemisphere.

just my $.02

AP
 
The worst thing you'll have to face is housing prices in the Bay Area. Check it out and make sure you're paid accordingly anywhere within 50 miles of San Francisco . The San Francisco handgun ban was shot down by the NRA at least for now. If you have any "assault weapons" leave them and any high capacity magazines (11 rounds or more) out of State other than that you're good to go.

Once you're settled in enjoy the beauty and bounty of NoCal.
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Russian River, Sonoma County
 
You have got to factor in a MUCH higher cost of living into the equation. If your raise will only cover the cost of living increase, then you are not really getting a raise, just a crappy place (gunwise) to live.
 
Do nothing that breaks the law regardless of whether you agree with it or not.

Make sure that the cost of living, housing/taxes/commute, balances out then add 20% to uproot your life.
 
After being in California for two years, no amount of money could make me go back. And it has very little to do with guns. The political, social, energy, water, and economic systems are broken and nothing short of nuclear holocaust will fix it.
 
Make sure that the cost of living, housing/taxes/commute, balances out then add 20% to uproot your life.

He'll save the 20% as he won't be forced to spend money on firearms that the majority of the country can possess but are unsafe for his use.
 
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If you don't mind a 4+ hour commute, you could probably have a CCW.

I know a couple who bought a house in Nevada County. They'd drive in to the city on Sunday evening and saty in a crappy 1 bedroom apartment. Friday night after work, they drove home. They've since made arrangements to rarely if ever drive in.

And they're happy Democratic voters, too.
 
:mad: :mad: As lucrative as it maybe, you do not want to come to the DPRK.

1.NO CCW for you
2. Your assault rifles will immediatley be illegal as soon as you enter the state.
3. Any large capacity magazines you have will be illegal

YOu have a choice, guns or money how much is your freedom worth to you?
 
Pretty much everything kludge said.

After almost three years in CA, I worked my way into a fulltime $60/hour gig there. I left for Idaho without the slightest regret, and haven't seen anywhere near that kind of money since.

I swear to God though, the very air felt different once I crossed the state line.
 
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Driving distance? For a rational person, a job in San Francisco is driveable from anywhere inside SF. For someone who doesn't value his spare time, I suppose you could commute from just about anywhere. It's bad, beyond your imagination, unless you experience it, and the social engineers of California will not build any more roads, because they want to force us out of our cars. That's reality, and your taxes will fund it.

Lucrative? I've seen how you can live in Boise if you spend $600K on a house (e.g. 4500 sq ft one-story on a hill with 5 acres and a view a few minutes from downtown). You can't BUY a house, any house, for that in SF. If you can live in SF like you can in Boise on an upper-middle-class salary, we'd have heard of you, because your name would be in People, the Wall Street Journal, and maybe Rolling Stone, fairly regularly. This offer better be pretty fat.

CCW? Don't make me laugh.

Forget the AK. You can't bring a 25-round magazine for your 10/22, an 11-rounder for a .40 cal, or a 15-round 9mm magazine. Not "can't buy", can't bring, can't own. Only if you owned the magazine in-state before 2000 can you keep it. Otherwise, you could be charged with a felony. You will be required to register each handgun you own when you move here.

Yeah, the Russian River is pretty, but no more so than 100 places in Idaho that will be deserted when you get there, unlike here, where damn near every pretty spot is packed. It's hard to explain that to someone from a large state with gorgeous scenery everywhere, and few people anywhere.

Be ready for higher taxes (sales tax where you are going is over 8%, and we have some of the highest state income taxes in the nation), and the limit we have on property taxes only allows you to grandfather your purchase price. If you buy a house at current prices, you will pay a lot of property tax, too -- or you can pay exorbitant rent and help someone else retire while you end up with nothing.

One more thing: when I go to Idaho from here, I notice something. People are REALLY NICE, and it's just how things are. They're not wierd nice, just polite. Don't expect that here, especially in the city, or anywhere near SF, LA, or the wealthy 'burbs of any of the three big cities in California. The assholiness alone is enough to drive some people out; I've moved to another part of this city, in part because of the general attitude of people in our old neighborhood. And I'm not overly-sensitive; I can get as aggro as the next guy. I just got damn tired of it.

The reason I'm here is that I surf. If you don't surf, there is no reason to move here. If your skills are in high demand, I'd take that as a cue to start looking around, not to move to SF.

Bottom line: if I had a good job or business in Idaho or somewhere similar, I'd already be there and I wouldn't come back here unless it were a short-term proposition with a HUGE payoff, after which I'd be gone again. And I live in San Diego, which is cheaper and far lower-stress than the urbanized Bay Area, by every measure.

There you go. Just to take the edge off the excitement of a higher salary. Think once, think twice, run a big-ass spreadsheet, then think again. California isn't the outdoorsy land of opportunity it was in the '60s. Idaho resembles the California of my youth a lot more than California does, or ever will again.

So what are the upsides?

1. The weather. Well, not in SF, but in San Diego. SF weather is nothing special; it just doesn't usually freeze. And the nearby valleys get hot as hell in the Summer.
2. Trader Joe's. We have Trader Joe's. A great thing.
3. Hard Liquor. It's cheaper, more widely sold and easier to find at odd hours than in Idaho. You can drink it when you get nostalgic for uncrowded hiking, good hunting without tag lotteries, nice people, 15-round pistol magazines, and fireworks. :)

Best of luck. May you make the right decisions.
 
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Aside from the gun stuff, ably covered above, there are more things to consider.

See this chart re: housing prices in San Francisco area counties. Excluding SF, Marin, Santa Clara, San Mateo - the -really- expensive counties - the median house price is $558.8K.

Also, here is a by-zip-code chart of Bay Area home sales for October, 2006.

Here's a loan calculator - it will give you a guess of the needed salary to handle a $500K+ house - your personal requirements will no doubt be different, but someplace reasonably close to this result, I think.

It is possible to get lower priced housing; it will be older, and sometimes a fixer-upper.

Here's a link to CA gas prices. The cheap place in town jumped 12 cents per gallon in the last 2 days, from $2.31 to $2.43. (Usual swing is 3-4 cents)

Here's a site with a bunch of local news across the region: http://www.insidebayarea.com/localnews .The sponsor is a local small chain of papers. Informative, I think.

Remember earthquakes?

Here's a site - the Association of Bay Area Governments - which provides insights into the issues local governments think are important.

Here's a nice Bay Area traffic map. Look at the Routes tab, and try to get expected commute times between your suggested new work location and places you might live.

Have I mentioned there are drawbacks to coming to CA?
 
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What looks like a lot of money to "red" Americans doesn't do a lot here. If you move here, your "big" paycheck won't go very far. That said, there is more to life than money. I love living here and don't want to leave. The weather is nice, but mostly I like the people. They are much friendlier and more laid back than other places I have lived (and smarter, at least where I live and work now). If you go out in the desert or the central valley, it's not even all that crowded.

You may have to give up your AK, or you may not! Check to see if it's on "the list" of banned rifles. If it's not, you can modify it so that it will be legal here. If it is, you can replace it with one that is not. Just make sure you jump through the right hoops. I see people at the range with California-legal ARs and AKs all the time.

I live in Southern California. Your mileage, in the bay area, may vary.

For California-specific gun information, see

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum
 
It's not all bad. In-N-Out burgers are hard to beat, and Kubrick fans never get tired of the reference.
 
Upsides - Don't forget In'N'Out Burger :D Edit - I see someone beat me to it :)

It would be interesting if those who made the decision to move to CA inexplicably developed compulsions that forced them to buy multiple handguns (say, Kel-tec mouseguns) not on the CA approved list before moving here. Afterwards, they can therapeutically alleviate symptoms by selling their P3ATs :rolleyes:

CA has 4 major PITAs:

1) Discretionary CCW issuance
2) AWB
3) "Safe" Handgun List
4) Pricey transfers, fees, et al
 
My job has nothing to do with farming, yet the best thing I EVER learned in High School was from my agriculture teacher:

PRIORITIES:

1) Enjoy WHERE you live
2) Enjoy WHAT you do for a living

Then and ONLY then...
3) Be concerned with how much money you make

IE...some things you can't put a monetary value on. If a my regional manager came up to me and told me I could make $150 an hour if I uprooted my entire life and moved anywhere far away (let alone Illinois or the "People's Republic"), I'd laugh in his face.
 
So my boss's boss come up to me and asks how I would like to live in Cali. It seems my skill set is in high demand and they are willing to make a very lucrative offer. The job would be in the San Fran area but I guess I could live anywhere within driving distance.
Understand that there are a considerable number of people who think commuting from Sacramento or Stockton to San Francisco is no big deal. They do this because they can't afford to live close to San Francisco.

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I doubt anyone could make me an offer good enough to go back there. I spent 47 years there and if the loss of rights and the cost of living don't get you, how about the knowledge that it'll just get worse? The anti-gun/military crowd in the SF area is so rabid they aren't about to stop trying.
 
Understand that there are a considerable number of people who think commuting from Sacramento or Stockton to San Francisco is no big deal. They do this because they can't afford to live close to San Francisco.

The thing is, that's not commuting distance, if you value your time AT ALL.

If you don't have a family, why the hell is money so important to you that you want to sacrifice your health and your free time for it?

If you DO, what makes you think your kids need a big house more than a Dad?

I can only hang my head at the sad things that Californians think are "normal", and 2+ hours each way is one of those things.
 
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