Scary incident at a stop light

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Kacerdias

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My wife and I just moved to Orlando, FL - a loooooong drive from northern New Hampshire! We finally rolled into Orlando at 1am exhausted and eager to get to our new house. Since none of us knew the area that well, I thought it prudent to find a large parking lot to stop the 24' moving truck w/ trailer and take my wifes Oldsmobile to pick up the keys and scout the area. None of us wanted to drive the truck into a place where we couldn't get it back out again.

My inlaws were gracious enough to help us move and volunteered to stay with the truck until I returned. They waited at a local Walgreens while my wife and I headed to the house. She stayed at the new place and got the cat settled in. After finding a suitable sidestreet I thought could handle the massive rental truck, I headed back to show my inlaws the way home. That's when things got interesting.

I'm alone in the car heading south on Kirkman when the light in front of me changes to orange. I slow down and stop. Glancing around I notice a disheveled looking man sprint from the sidewalk straight to my car. Being about 2am by this point my brain is as sharp as tapioca pudding and I don't notice that the passenger side door is unlocked. He shambles up to the car and yells "Hey can I get a ride?" I had a bad feeling about this guy so I shook my head and said I was sorry but I don't pick up hitchhikers. He looked visibly upset and got closer. He tapped on the glass, then reached for the door handle! It appeared that he was going to crawl into the car even though I told him no. I pushed by my shirttail back, putting my strong hand resting on the grip of my Walther - he didn't notice. In my peripheral vision I saw the light change to green so I took the opportunity and stomped the gas right as he was lifting the handle. The car lurched forward and he lost his grip; the door stayed shut. :what:

I told the folks about the incident and the first question they asked was if I shot him. :rolleyes: I'm very glad it ended with nobody hurt. My guess is the guy was just a local drunk but at 2am in an unfamiliar city, I assume the worst. Anyone else have a similar experience?

And yeah, ALL doors are locked as soon as the seat belts are clicked. It's now a routine. :cool:
 
Yes, I make an effort to always keep my doors locked. My parents think I am silly but I know better...
 
Orlando..

Sorry to hear you moved to Orlando. I don't know why you moved there, but hopefully it was for a high paying job!

I live in the greater Tampa Bay area and go to Orlando on business. My son went to UCF there for 3 years. That whole area is a nightmare, from Lakeland to Lake Mary. Traffic is horrific and since there are so many low wage/minimum wage jobs to support the service industries, hotels, and theme parks, there is a huge diverse community that is prone to gang activity, theft and doesn't speak english.

I would expect you will have many more interesting experiences before you say enough is enough. Even northern winters may be better than Orlando.
There are some nice places in FL just not that area.
 
We moved here because my wife was accepted to a second year pediatric pharmacy residency at a very good hospital. We plan to stay for a year and find her a position in our original hometown of Austin, TX. :D I'm a teleworker and can do my system admin job from anywhere with a broadband internet link. I'm home most of the time in an alarmed house, reinforced deadbolted doors, well armed. I'm not too worried about breakins and the guy living next to us is an Orlando PD officer. My wife and I are going to head over and say hello today, maybe bring some microbrews to be neighborly. ;)
 
Yes, I make an effort to always keep my doors locked. My parents think I am silly but I know better...
In the 60s, the Air Force found they were losing more training pilots to car crashes than flight incidents. :what: They made a driving training manual for their pilots. Among other things, they found that if the doors are unlocked, there is a tendency for them to open in an accident. :eek:
Locking the doors disconnects the outside handle from the mechanism that holds the door closed, so they keep you contained more of the time, especially in a side swipe.
Just another reason to keep them locked. ;) :cool:
 
mlandman wrote:
In the 60s, the Air Force found they were losing more training pilots to car crashes than flight incidents. They made a driving training manual for their pilots. Among other things, they found that if the doors are unlocked, there is a tendency for them to open in an accident.

That's a manual I'd like to see! Though I am far from a model driver, I like to think of my car as something like a low-flying airplane, and go through a routine of checking mirrors, tires, seat position, locks, lights, etc. I'd love to see how the USAF approaches that ... do you have a copy of such a manual?

timothy
 
Northern NH to Orlando FL......

man that is about as bad as it gets.

Orlando is the cesspoool of a rather cesspool state.

stay safe. Its going to be a long year!

:)
 
I'm in such a habit of locking my doors, and using a seatbelt that I do so even when turning the Jeep around for my wife. It is a good habit.
 
yhtomit posted:
That's a manual I'd like to see! Though I am far from a model driver, I like to think of my car as something like a low-flying airplane, and go through a routine of checking mirrors, tires, seat position, locks, lights, etc. I'd love to see how the USAF approaches that ... do you have a copy of such a manual?
My father gave me it when I was learning to drive about 40 years ago. I did a search on Amazon but got no relevant hits.
 
One of the features I like about my Ford Explorer is that the doors automatically lock as soon as you start moving forward.

I've also been known to lock the doors as soon as I get into the rig, especially in a unfamiliar/dangerous neighborhood.
 
Kind of makes me glad my Silverado automatically locks the doors the second I take shifter out of Park.
 
When you are stopped in traffic, don't pull all the way up to the car in front of you. Leave at least a car length between you and the car in front of you. If someone comes up to your window, it gives you room to move or pull out. If necessary, it gives yo room to use the car as a weapon too. Ever notice that police cars do this?
 
Check The Castle Doctrine in FL

Note the bold below. If you are going to be in Florida,

  1. Get a CCW
  2. Learn the following law by heart
  3. Carry religiously
  4. Practice, Practice, Practice at the range

Rules - Florida Castle Doctrine Full Law

CHAPTER 776

JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.

776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.

776.031 Use of force in defense of others.

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.

776.08 Forcible felony.

776.085 Defense to civil action for damages; party convicted of forcible or attempted forcible felony.

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.--A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

History.--s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.

776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.--

(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:

(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person's will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and

(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:

(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or

(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or

(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or

(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person's dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

(5) As used in this section, the term:

(a) "Dwelling" means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.

(b) "Residence" means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.

(c) "Vehicle" means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.

History.--s. 1, ch. 2005-27.

776.031 Use of force in defense of others.--A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on, or other tortious or criminal interference with, either real property other than a dwelling or personal property, lawfully in his or her possession or in the possession of another who is a member of his or her immediate family or household or of a person whose property he or she has a legal duty to protect. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person does not have a duty to retreat if the person is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

History.--s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1189, ch. 97-102; s. 3, ch. 2005-27.

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.--

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney's fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

History.--s. 4, ch. 2005-27.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.--The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.--s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

776.08 Forcible felony.--"Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.

History.--s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 4, ch. 75-298; s. 289, ch. 79-400; s. 5, ch. 93-212; s. 10, ch. 95-195.

776.085 Defense to civil action for damages; party convicted of forcible or attempted forcible felony.--

(1) It shall be a defense to any action for damages for personal injury or wrongful death, or for injury to property, that such action arose from injury sustained by a participant during the commission or attempted commission of a forcible felony. The defense authorized by this section shall be established by evidence that the participant has been convicted of such forcible felony or attempted forcible felony, or by proof of the commission of such crime or attempted crime by a preponderance of the evidence.

(2) For the purposes of this section, the term "forcible felony" shall have the same meaning as in s. 776.08.

(3) Any civil action in which the defense recognized by this section is raised shall be stayed by the court on the motion of the civil defendant during the pendency of any criminal action which forms the basis for the defense, unless the court finds that a conviction in the criminal action would not form a valid defense under this section.

(4) In any civil action where a party prevails based on the defense created by this section:

(a) The losing party, if convicted of and incarcerated for the crime or attempted crime, shall, as determined by the court, lose any privileges provided by the correctional facility, including, but not limited to:

1. Canteen purchases;

2. Telephone access;

3. Outdoor exercise;

4. Use of the library; and

5. Visitation.

(b) The court shall award a reasonable attorney's fee to be paid to the prevailing party in equal amounts by the losing party and the losing party's attorney; however, the losing party's attorney is not personally responsible if he or she has acted in good faith, based on the representations of his or her client. If the losing party is incarcerated for the crime or attempted crime and has insufficient assets to cover payment of the costs of the action and the award of fees pursuant to this paragraph, the party shall, as determined by the court, be required to pay by deduction from any payments the prisoner receives while incarcerated.

(c) If the losing party is incarcerated for the crime or attempted crime, the court shall issue a written order containing its findings and ruling pursuant to paragraphs (a) and (b) and shall direct that a certified copy be forwarded to the appropriate correctional institution or facility.

History.--s. 1, ch. 87-187; s. 72, ch. 96-388.

Do the same when you get to Texas....
 
Scary incident

Kacerdias, Sad for your initial trouble in sunny paradise first day here but no harm done and lesson learned. That kind of incident can happen anywhere at any time of the day. Welcome to Florida ! Orlando is too busy a place for my taste but there is much close by.
CTPistol, you have given me a good chuckle today. A person from metro NY calling Orlando a cesspool in a cesspool state. You're a bit new on this forum but be nice this is after all The High Road.
 
CTPistol, you have given me a good chuckle today. A person from metro NY calling Orlando a cesspool in a cesspool state. You're a bit new on this forum but be nice this is after all The High Road.

And isn't a high percentage of Florida's population people who have moved from New York?
 
Locking your doors at times is a very good practice. Maintaining sufficient clearance for a sudden exit - green light or not is the way to go.

In the absence of clearance and an exit, orchestration of the gas pedal, steering and brakes moving several thousand pounds of metal on four wheels can crush, pin or in the very least make life unpleasantly exciting for anyone trying to force their way into your vehicle. Remember that this constitutes deadly force and the legal implications will be the same as if you were using a firearm.
 
If you were sitting alone at a red light at 2:00am, just run the light if you feel you're in danger (if it's clear, of course :) )
 
Welcome to orlando. Im sorry to hear you had to come here. I would guess that this isnt a drunk. Either this was a attempted carjacking or he wanted a ride. Definatly want to carry in this town. Although this state isnt a cesspool many areas of orlando are.
 
In paragraph 4 above the words 'and by force' would seem to indicate breaking a window or perhaps wrestling the door open from an occupant. Would opening an unlocked door and getting in qualify? Maybe one more reason to keep your doors locked.
 
"CTPistol, you have given me a good chuckle today. A person from metro NY calling Orlando a cesspool in a cesspool state. You're a bit new on this forum but be nice this is after all The High Road."


+1 Look who is calling the kettle black!
 
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