SCCY Self Discharge?

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ZeroDefect writes:

Tell him to get a good 1911.

SMH at the old, tired, "tell-him-to-get-a-good-something-that-isn't-at-all-like-what-he-wants-and-costs-eight-times-as-much-and-has-a-completely-different-build-and-manual-of-arms,-etc..."

(In another thread, ZeroDefect states one can't get a "good 1911" for under $1800, yet he recommends one to someone who hasn't even asked for a suggestion.)
 
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There is a lot of appeal to a sccy. Size weight and horsepower ratio are nice. Warranty not bad either. Price never hurts. I honestly feel the same about the p11. That's what's annoying. Can they refine it enough to make it run? Kahr has a better reputation. But they have plenty issues and cost more. I like it better that the p11 and its cousin are double stack. I have big hands.
 
Their ain't a holster out there that would be taken off still attached to a normal belt. An LEO's gun belt is a whole different animal, doesn't go through loops.

I get the same thing many others did from this story; it was a ND followed by a fabrication to avoid embarrassment. No insult intended, but a true DAO piece with a shrouded hammer and inertial firing pin placed on a table will not fire itself, let alone with a near-vertical trajectory. The theory that the hammer could have hung goes away with that trajectory, even if one believes the gun could be carried all day, then set down on the table, only to go off when completely undisturbed.

You know, I have on occasion taken off my stiff uncomfortable belt and my gun and stuffed the end of my belt through the loops on the holster to sort of keep all my stuff contained. He doesn't have to go through every step as to WHY he did what he did does He?

Here's my thoughts for those that think the son's story doesn't pass the smell test...why go through so much conspiracy for an ND?

If I shot a hole through my table and didn't want to tell my wife the truth, I would fabricate a story then sell the gun off to a LGS and be done with it. No need to go through the manufacturer. If my wife knew I shot a hole through the table, and I didn't want to tell my dad...i just wouldnt tell my dad, right?

If there wasn't an issue with the gun and i didn't want to fess up to being a bonehead, there 20 different stories I could come up with that wouldn't require me to go to the trouble of sending the gun off.
 
I'm with the few that give the OP the benefit of the doubt. Why lie to your father about something like this? AND send the weapons to be checked out if it was a AD. in this case the gun was returned fixed,with an official apology and free vouchers. There was obviously a defect in the gun. And the manufacturer admits to it. Seems like no one knows the exact circumstances that caused the discharge. You can say there's no way it was possible it went off on it's own at that angle. I think the OP shouldn't be doubted but thanked for sharing a his story. To me it shows that even if you think it's "impossible" for a dao,or frankly any other firearm arm to go off on it's own,you are wrong. It can happen. And if it's loaded you should always think about how the arm is handled and stored.
 
You know, I have on occasion taken off my stiff uncomfortable belt and my gun and stuffed the end of my belt through the loops on the holster to sort of keep all my stuff contained. He doesn't have to go through every step as to WHY he did what he did does He?

That's very atypical behavior, and yes, for those of us who know the gun and carry daily, it would just about take video footage of the gun doing what is alleged to convince. Again, even if the unlikely conditions were present to create the trajectory, the odds of a defective gun going off when it is completely static on a table after having been carried around all day and then placed on that table are vanishingly minuscule. Defective guns can fire without the trigger being touched, but it is incredibly rare for it to happen when the gun is just sitting there, especially a DAO that does not have a cocked hammer which could, maybe, fall from a part failure at rest.

Here's my thoughts for those that think the son's story doesn't pass the smell test...why go through so much conspiracy for an ND?

If I shot a hole through my table and didn't want to tell my wife the truth, I would fabricate a story then sell the gun off to a LGS and be done with it. No need to go through the manufacturer. If my wife knew I shot a hole through the table, and I didn't want to tell my dad...i just wouldnt tell my dad, right?

If there wasn't an issue with the gun and i didn't want to fess up to being a bonehead, there 20 different stories I could come up with that wouldn't require me to go to the trouble of sending the gun off.

Embarrassment the reason, blaming the gun the inevitable scapegoat. The particulars of the story one concocts to exonerate themselves in an instance of ND from handling are rather inconsequential, and usually far fetched, as is the case here.

Virtually every case of a true AD involved a broken part or defective mechanism, and what they just about all have in common is that they happen during loading, when a safety is disengaged, or when the gun is dropped or otherwise jarred.

I'm with the few that give the OP the benefit of the doubt. Why lie to your father about something like this? AND send the weapons to be checked out if it was a AD.

Embarrassment, and to lend credence to the story, respectively.

I can't count how many vehicles I've had brought to me after a teenager got in a fender bender and claimed the brakes or steering malfunctioned. Wanna hazard a guess at the percentage that actually had a problem? I'll give you a hint: More than one synonymous pronoun for the number that start with Z.

in this case the gun was returned fixed,with an official apology and free vouchers. There was obviously a defect in the gun. And the manufacturer admits to it.

I didn't see anything resembling an admission of responsibility. What I see is a manufacturer who puts out huge volumes of economy handguns, which already makes them a target for frivolous lawsuits, doing whatever they can to mitigate that possibility. A "The gun didn't really have a problem, but we erred on the side of caution and replaced it, plus extras to defray inconveniences" deal.

You can say there's no way it was possible it went off on it's own at that angle.

That's just the icing on the cake for an already unlikely scenario. If the bullet hole were in a wall or cabinet at table height and a relatively level trajectory, it would be fairly believable, since a gun laid down would have such a trajectory, and since that's not a height and angle at which a handgun would typically be held under any normal circumstances. Downward angle when in a concealement holster on said table? Sorry, not buying.
 
The folks arguing "it's almost impossible for such an AD to happen" should consider that there are a LOT of people on THR, and so you may hear about very unlikely events that you'd never hear about in person.

Would you say "no one could've won that Powerball drawing--it's a one in fifty million chance?" There are things that are physically impossible, but the failure of a mechanism isn't usually one of them.
 
picked up my new Sccy and finally got to the range this morning........put 80 rnds. thru it and the trigger is long and stiff..............no way could it fire itself. the hammer does not remain cocked. if falls after each round is shot. at rest it is very hard to move when intentionally pulling the trigger. doubting the whole episode. my wife asked if it was safe standing in the center console so I unloaded it and had her pull the trigger........she grinned and agreed an ad would be almost impossible w/out human help! even one of our cats would have a devil of a time pulling that trigger...........by the way, pretty decent piece and for the money it is hard to beat.
 
A person was shot by a pistol lying on a table. A Van Buren County, Mi, deputy sheriff said guns go off by themselves all the time in explaining why no one was being charged with anything! I think it was a year ago.
 
The hammer in question is clearly visible in the back of the slide....and should it actually stick fully back after chambering a round would/should be noticed. I have a KT P11 and P32 which have different internal mechanisms but both share the common 'low mass' hammer that must be driven at full velocity to impart enough energy to the firing pin to light off a round. To actually hold the hammer back at full cock would take one hell of a burr...and it would be obvious just with a quick look whether the hammer had followed the slide home as intended or stuck in the full cocked position, so if you have one of these pistols (or one that shares the same design) it's perfectly safe to carry once you verify that the hammer is fully forward after chambering a round.

For some reason if someone can make a trigger malfunction in some way they then leap to the conclusion that it can self-discharge....which can be very different things. The video of the SCCY trigger problem early in the thread showed a trigger unable to reliably drop the hammer due to insufficient travel of either the trigger itself or the hammer bar/sear....which is in NO way the same thing as the pistol being able to fire itself unattended. Simply verify that after chambering a round that the hammer is forward and carry with confidence...and be careful as always.:)
 
I used to own a SCCY. The hammer is a true DAO, which means it does not pre-cock in any way prior to pulling the trigger. When at rest it sits against the inertia-type firing pin. The pistol might fire if it is dropped onto a hard surface, and I could see possibly the hammer getting snagged somehow in the partially-cocked position by a foreign object, but otherwise there's no way it's going to fire while the hammer remains in the at-rest position. Ther's simply nothing to impact the firing pin, and in turn the primer and thus fire the cartridge.
 
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