I thought Glocks were drop safe?

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it would have had to have hit the ground muzzle-first to make the firing pin slam forward enough to ignite a round - and the internal safety would have had to have already jammed/failed.
All 3 of em. Anybody that has seen the safety diagrams knows that it would take a LOT to make one of those discharge by being dropped (like several parts of the gun being misaligned, jammed, bound, and still it is unlikely.)
I think it's a CYA deal. Chances are he pointed the gun at the floor and pulled the trigger.
 
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Actually,I fear that the quality of applicants for NYPD has been going down hill for the last few years.NY has been having a problem making their quotas for the last few years because a lot of their veteran cops have been leaving for better paying jobs in NY state and NJ.Also,there is a shortage of new recruits because of the low starting pay.I believe the starting pay is around $25 grand.It was reduced a few years ago to save money and it has backfired.Nobody can afford to start at that money and find affordable housing there.
 
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Actually,I fear that the quality of applicants for NYPD has been going down hill for the last few years.NY has been having a problem making their quotas for the last few years because a lot of their veteran cops have been leaving for better paying jobs in NY state and NJ.Also,there is a shortage of new recruits because of the low starting pay.I believe the starting pay is around $25 grand.It was reduced a few years ago to save money and it has backfired.Nobody can afford to start at that money and find affordable housing there.
That doesn't explain THIS guy's situation, all the more so when you consider he was living with ANOTHER person who was also working. If you sniff hard enough, you can smell the aroma of meth in this story.
 
Wow, three pages of replies to this thread and we really are shooting in the dark, if the pun can be forgiven.

Nowhere in the article does it say that the pistol involved was a Glock. None of the replies provide any evidence that the pistol was a Glock. NYPD also authorizes the SIG 226 and S&W 5946, so it could also have been either of those. In addition, it could very well have been one of a number of off-duty weapons that NYPD authorizes. I know the article said is was his service weapon, but the media does not have a reputation for getting facts right, so it could just have easily been an off-duty weapon. There is also a very obvious bias in the article, so I'm hesitant to take it at face value.

That said, I suspect that the officer in question probably accidentally fired his weapon into the floor or knocked it off the table and tried to catch it, and in doing so, pulled the trigger. I am, however, also willing to accept that it is possible that his story is true. Either way, I think waiting for the outcome of the investigation is the most prudent course of action.
 
If that were the case, it'd be a contact shot to the floor, on impact.
I expect that will be very easy to discern vs. one that was put through the floor from a couple of feet away...

That's the best post I have seen in this thread. That is going to be the proof.

I just don't buy the idea that a hanger or bush or something else could generate 11 pounds of pressure. While some protrusions might actually be able to withstand 11 pounds of pressure - thereby exerting an equal but opposite force of 11 pounds, no handgun is capable of exerting the 11 pounds of force during the fall in order to cause that equal but opposite force to come in to play.

Additionally, the trigger of a falling gun is protected by a trigger guard. In order to penetrate the trigger guard and cause the weapon to fire, you would have to fall onto the protrusion, the protruding object would have to flex under the weight of the falling gun. The gun would slide along the protrusion to the end of the object before the end of the object could snap back into the trigger guard as the gun slid off. Now, we are only talking about the very tip of the protrusion penetrating the gun at all. While at the fixed connection point of the protrusion might have been pushed enough to exert a force equal to the falling weight of the weapon, at the tip of any flexible object the kinetic energy in that flexing motion would be significantly less than the energy at the fixed connection point.

If you argue that the object is potentially stiff rather than flexible - the only possible way to exert enough force to pull even a lightweight trigger - then the gun slides off the protrusion without the protrusion entering the trigger guard.

If the gun falls at such angle that it falls directly onto a fixed solid protrusion, hitting the protrusion directly with the trigger - a highly unlikely scenario in this case - the fact still remains that the falling weapon weighs less than the required trigger pull for firing - unless the trigger is modified to require less pull weight than the falling weapon. [added by edit:]Plus, to hit the trigger directly means that the protrusion entered the trigger guard area at an angle. The indirect angle of the strike reduces the possible pressure on the trigger even more; the trigger slides along the protrusion harmlessly. [ end of edit.]

This guy - or perhaps his brother who lived with him - was playing with the gun. It went off. He lied to cover his tail because playing with the gun proved that he is not responsible enough to be a cop and he does not want to lose his job.

Lying in a police investigation, though, is a felony punishable in many states or federally by up to 20 years in prison - along with the automatic lifetime ban on owning firearms. While I don't agree that felons should automatically not be allowed to defend their families or themselves, I do agree that felons whose crimes involved firearms should absolutely be banned from owning or possessing firearms for life - this guy included.
 
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I just don't buy the idea that a hanger or bush or something else could generate 11 pounds of pressure. While some protrusions might actually be able to withstand 11 pounds of pressure - thereby exerting an equal but opposite force of 11 pounds, no handgun is capable of exerting the 11 pounds of force during the fall in order to cause that equal but opposite force to come in to play.

depends on how far the gun falls, doesn't it?

I've seen lots of crazy unexpected things in high-speed video. saying something can't happen is just asking for that very thing to happen.
 
I've seen lots of crazy unexpected things in high-speed video. saying something can't happen is just asking for that very thing to happen.
However possibilities and probabilities are different things. It's POSSIBLE that I could be the next Shah of Iran. It's as PROBABLE as the gun in question having gone off without the trigger being pulled. The cop's lying, and probably has some drug related skeletons in his closet.
 
depends on how far the gun falls, doesn't it?

It does, but this gun fell 3 feet. Hardly enough to achieve maximum terminal velocity. I will give you that when falling the gun would exert more pressure on any such protrusion than when simply placed on the protrusion but I doubt it would be enough to cause the weapon to fire.

I have heard plenty of cases where careless hunters have fired rifles in the brush. That is a different case. The rifle is heavier. The triggers may, or may not, be lighter. And the rifle is propelled through the brush by a hunter that may not even notice the extra few pounds of pressure.

This "accident" was caused by carelessness. That's a given. The only part remaining is whether the guy is lying - and needs to be in prison.
 
Deanimator where can I get one of those Crystal Balls that you are using?Drug problems in the closet eh?Any more info for the forum?
Look at the general situation.

1. TWO people live in the apartment, BOTH with jobs.
2. There is no electricity, DESPITE 1.
3. These TWO employed people apparently have money for BEER, but NOT electricity. The place is a pigsty... as is often the case with out of control drug users.
4. One or both of these people engages in wreckless behavior that leads to the maiming of a small child.
5. One of these people living in the apartment concocts a clearly ludicrous excuse for the shooting of the child.

If it were anybody ELSE, you'd say drugs were involved. Got a BETTER explanation?
 
That doesn't explain THIS guy's situation, all the more so when you consider he was living with ANOTHER person who was also working. If you sniff hard enough, you can smell the aroma of meth in this story.

Without knowing anything about this guy's situation or the circumstances that led to the lack of electricity you are willing to call a Police officer and a Veteran a METH HEAD???

Wow! I hope yo don't ever have to pull jury duty.

I agree that the situation is odd and even sketchy, but I'm not going to go overboard and start calling Veterans and cops meth addicts.

Did the NYPD drop drug testing of it's officers?
 
Without knowing anything about this guy's situation or the circumstances that led to the lack of electricity you are willing to call a Police officer and a Veteran a METH HEAD???

Wow! I hope yo don't ever have to pull jury duty.

I agree that the situation is odd and even sketchy, but I'm not going to go overboard and start calling Veterans and cops meth addicts.

Did the NYPD drop drug testing of it's officers?
So, why exactly WOULD two people with jobs have money for beer, but NOT electricity?

Some cops use drugs. Some SELL drugs. That's not a matter of conjecture. Do a Google search on "Miedzianowski" and "Chicago Police". And if GIs don't use and or sell drugs, then the various units I served in sure railroaded some guys for possessing drugs. Were you IN the military ever?

Like I said, if this guy worked for Circuit City, you'd have no doubts at all. This whole thing stinks of drug addiction.
 
Yes Dean I served in the Army, 7th Inf., but that's not where I learned not to make accusations or insinuations against people without far more evidence than you've presented based solely on second hand information. Come to think of it, I learned that lesson at a much younger age.

YOu may be right, but I'd need much more information and evidence to make that leap at this point.

At this point all we know is that a gun dropped and fired because that's about all the info we have. Mechanical devices fail, it happens.
 
At this point all we know is that a gun dropped and fired because that's about all the info we have.

Uh, NO, we DON'T "know" that. It's a self-serving assertion of EXTREME dubiousness made by a guy who pays for beer, but NOT electricity.

Mechanical devices fail, it happens.
Bad lies by screwy people fail far more often, and with far better reason.

Let's try Occam's Razor, shall we?

1. A firearm with MULTIPLE redundant safety mechanisms, goes off after a very short fall.

OR

2. A guy who exhibits multiple dysfunctional behavior patterns gets drunk and or high and negligently fires a shot through the floor, maiming a child.

You tell me WHICH is more likely.

I own two Glocks. 1 just isn't going to happen. You have to pull the trigger. I doubt that as so implausibly described, 1 would have happened with a cocked and UNLOCKED M1911 in good repair.

It'd be one thing to just shoot a BABY. It's a lot worse that he's not man enough to own up to it. It demonstrates a lack of integrity unbecoming in a police officer. If he's proven negligent and somehow does NOT lose his job, he'll be impeached by every defense attorney for every defendant against whom he testifies... if he's EVER allowed to testify.
 
Several officers have had several negligent discharges at my department (glock) and all have been during the disasembly process when the trigger needs to be pulled and someone has not followed the rules.....others have been sympathetic sqeeze. About half were right after they went from revolvers to Glock. In 11+ years carrying a glock and being a Glock armorer I have never seen what that officer is describing happen but I was not there and do not have all the facts.

We do have a saying though....."you lie you die"

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All of the approved/issue firearms for NYPD are drop safe. For things to have happened as described requires a very unusual situation to be compounded with parts breakage or defective/damaged/improperly modifed parts.

I am HIGHLY disinclined to believe that it happened as described.

BTW, anyone who thinks a Glock can be easily set off by a trigger snag while being dropped can do a simple experiment that will help make it plain how unlikely that is.

Get a pencil and an unloaded Glock. Put in a weighted dummy magazine and rack the slide to "set" the action. Now throw it into the air over a padded surface and catch it with the pencil by poking the pencil through the triggerguard. I've done it until I got bored--without ever getting the striker to drop. And that wasn't using one with an NY trigger installed.
 
Glocks have been dropped from 10 story buildings fully loaded with one in the chamber and not accidently discharged (AD). This link a Glock was thrown from a plane and dragged by a truck fully loaded, no AD! By the way the Glock is the standard for reliability, everyone of these torture tests results in no ADs but the Glock goes bang with every pull of the trigger, period.

http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item
 
Given the low salary and massive rent prices*, I'm not at all surprised they can't afford electricity after buying beer and cigs.

Probably can't afford drugs, either.





*$2000 a month is pretty average for a 2 bedroom with 1100-1200sq feet. Might even be on the low end.
 
Given the low salary and massive rent prices*, I'm not at all surprised they can't afford electricity after buying beer and cigs.

Probably can't afford drugs, either.
And what do we tell OTHER people who can't afford rent AND beer and cigs?

GIVE UP BEER AND CIGS!!!

Apparently these two "public servants" don't have any more sensory apparatus than the less sagacious of our welfare recipients.

Of course we don't have a balance sheet on these two. I still think that money that could be going to electricity is getting smoked or injected.
 
Deanimator, I think you're misunderstanding the tone of my post. I'm not supporting them. I'm just saying I'm not surprised. Once they've got rent taken care of, bought some food, and then their beer and cigs, well, it's no surprise that they wouldn't be able to afford electricity.
I'm sure they spent some money elsewhere as well, but it wouldn't be very much(cause they wouldn't have much left), and there's no evidence to support accusations of drug addiction. Seriously, your first assumption for why two young single men don't have any money is that they spent it at various bars/nightclubs/hotspots trying to get into the pants of young women.
 
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