school me on the beretta 92

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JTQ said:
Ref the G19 and Beretta 92 grip measurement picture…

In the thread where those pictures came, another forum member measured his two pistols and gave this information.

Measuring my M9 Special Edition and Gen4 G19 using crude methods (a string and measuring tape), …
...The trigger reach, as in the front-to-back measurement from center of the trigger face straight back to the rear edge of the grip was 2 3/4" for the G19 and 2 7/8" for the Beretta.

His Beretta does not have the backstrap indent (or whatever Beretta calls the scoop in the backstrap) which I suspect if his pistol had, would put the trigger reach of the Beretta at the same as the Gen 4 G19.

Sounds like my post that you quoted. Like most people I too always assumed the Beretta M9's grip circumfrence was much larger than most of the competition, but once I compared it to my Gen4 Glock (naked frame w/o backstrap, and factory plastic grips of the M9) the difference was minimal. Only the trigger reach was noticeably more. Of course the Beretta still feels fatter, but that is likely due to the rounded profile of the grip.

Personally I've always like the Beretta M9, finding that in police and civilian hands at least it's virtually jam-proof. I've shot tens of thousands of rounds through various 92/M9 pistols over the years, and have never even seen what it looks like for one to malfunction. I guess things change when you get Arabian sand all over them, but that's not a problem here in the soggy NW United States. But while it may have been state-of-the-art for a combat pistol back in 1985 times have changed, and what we all expect out of a combat pistol these days is quite different now. I'm now down to just one Beretta, and it's primarily a safe queen since it's an M9 Special Edition.
 
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I recently picked up a 92FS because I fell into a little play money and have always thought they were a beautiful pistol.

I'll be the first to agree that in the last 25+ years polymer has earned a proven track record for offering a firearm that is both lightweight and tough. Heavy duty use in law enforcement and the civilian market have gone a long way to offer some empirical evidence to the merits of polymer over something like aluminum alloy.

That said, I don't see how spending a single taxpayer's dime on a new pistol trial would be money well spent. The M9 is good enough for it's role in modern warfare. It's accurate, robust, easy to service, reliable, etc. It's certainly not cutting edge, but it is far from obsolete. It may not be the "best" service weapon out there, but I think it is a viable tool and has been for the last almost three decades.

From a civilian standpoint, I think the Beretta is incredible. It's got sleek lines, a formidable profile, and shooting standard 115gr ammo feels like popping off a .22. I tend to prefer DA/SA guns in my house for the added safety. I have a young daughter who knows not to touch a gun, but I feel much better about having that 12lb first pull on that heavy chubby gun. Much tougher for a little hand to be able to get it to fire. Furthermore, I rather like the safety/decocker. I will always prefer the typical down-to-fire on a gun where I use the safety, but on the 92fs I like the way it deadens the trigger and is a little tough to engage. Like most people, I don't carry it with the safety on. I simply use it for transport and storage. It makes it safer to take in and out of the bedside safe or truck console, and, once again, is one more doohickey that my daughter would have to actuate in order to get it to fire if I am stupidly negligent in leaving my safe unlocked for some reason. I don't think I would ever engage it while reloading. I generally slingshot, but that large slide release is really easy to use. I just drop the slide using that instead. No problem.

The 92FS isn't a gun that you can ride all day and put away wet (or dry in its case). It's not a Glock. Most things aren't. You have to be mindful of it. Preventive maintenance like inspecting and replacing the recoil spring is key. Take a look at the locking block every so often. Run it wetter than normal. It's a beautifully reliable and lovely pistol that will last for a very long time if given even the most basic of care and attention. It's certainly not the easiest gun to CCW. I've pretty much given up on carrying it as such. It's an HD, truck, and range gun for me mostly. I've got a nice comfy kydex holster for it that it carries in and draws from quite well. I've also got a couple of pancake holsters that will conceal it if I were a good size over-shirt or a jacket. I'm going to dabble with making an IWB holster in the next couple of weeks, but I think it's just going to end up being an exercise in proof of concept. It really is a thick heavy gun which I probably won't carry short of stomping through the woods.

I am a 1911 guy. I love the platform and shoot it better than any other type of pistol. That said, dare I say it, my 92FS oozes just a little more soul than my Springfield. Both are gorgeous pistols in my eyes, though. For the price point, I think they are a fine gun and an important part of our military history. If you like big, heavy 9mm's, it's hard to be the 92, IMHO.
 
The Stainless M 96 in .40 SW would be a nicer choice . More potent caliber...
 
nathan said:
The Stainless M 96 in .40 SW would be a nicer choice . More potent caliber...

An increasing number of police departments are going back to the 9mm, because a) the wear and tear on many .40-caliber pistols has been excessive, b) female officers sometimes have trouble qualifying with it, and c) the improvements in 9mm ammo over the past 20 years has been dramatic. While .40 and .45 will always be the more powerful calibers, with today's ammunition the practical difference is small and the benefits of the higher-capacity, lower-recoil 9mm remain evident.
 
It does what it is supppsed to do.

But, not any better than more modern guns that are easier to train with and maintain.
 
... another forum, someone asked to compare the 92 with the proclaimed "chunky grip" to a gun a lot people think is perfect size (G19)
A comparison with Glock with large back strap on?

The primary problem, ergonomics wise, is the issue of trigger reach. That's the most common problem with the pistol that came out in DA/SA wonder 9 era.
 
A comparison with Glock with large back strap on?

Med backstrap, as stated multiple times. exactly as I shoot it..

I guess Ill do a comparison of one of my Gen3's vs a normal gripped 92, since that comparison is eliciting "foul ball" by the glockies. :neener:
 
Med backstrap, as stated multiple times..

Yes, I have found many people like to jump in a thread without having actually read the entire thing. Happens all the time, unfortunately.
 
TestPilot wrote,
A comparison with Glock with large back strap on?

Except as dsk wrote in post #76 it was a Gen 4 G19 with no backstrap.
dsk wrote,
I too always assumed the Beretta M9's grip circumfrence was much larger than most of the competition, but once I compared it to my Gen4 Glock (naked frame w/o backstrap, and factory plastic grips of the M9) the difference was minimal.
 
To add, dsk's Beretta does not have the "dished" backstrap that is available on many of the current 92 variants that shorten's the trigger reach.
 
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