School Unfairly Treated Me?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Here's the student code of conduct from your school district. Which parts of it do you see as depriving students of their Constitutional Rights?

This part?
What is the process
for disciplining students?
The authority to suspend, to propose
an extended suspension or expulsion is
delegated to the principal or designee by
the Board of Education in Policy 5113 and
laws of the State of Kansas. When a pupil
receives a short-term suspension, the pupil
must be given notice of the charges
verbally and in writing and provided with
an informal hearing.
The hearing includes the rights of the pupil:
• to be present at the hearing;
• to be informed of the charges;
• to be informed of the basis for the
accusation; and
• to make statements in defense of the
charges.
Pupils proposed to be suspended for an
extended term or to be expelled shall be
given written notice of a formal hearing;
provided procedural due process rights and
provided an appeal process as listed in
Policy 5113. When considering possible
courses of action for disabled pupils in
regard to alleged violations of school rules,
policies and regulations, procedural due
process rights are guaranteed under the
Individuals with Disabilities Education Act
(IDEA), applicable Kansas statutes and
regulations.
Click to expand...

This part?
What types of behaviors
are not allowed under our Student Code of Conduct?
The Student Code of Conduct and Board of Education Policies prohibit student behavior
at school, at school sponsored activities, and on buses being used to transport students
for the school district that are:
❚ Violent
which includes hitting, fighting,
inappropriate touching, bullying,
threatening words or actions and the
possession and use of weapons.
(BOE Policies: P1116 Sexual Harassment
of Students; P1119 Harassment of Pupils
Based on Race, Color, Religion, Gender,
National Origin, or Disability; P1359 Pupil
Safety and Protection; P1462 Pupil
Behavior-Assault and/or Battery of Staff
Member; P1464 Pupil Behavior-
Regulations; P1466 Possession or Use of
Weapons; P5113 Suspension and/or
Expulsion of Pupils)
❚ Disruptive
which includes actions that interfere
with the learning process for students
and the teacher’s ability to teach.
(BOE Policies: P1464 Pupil Behavior-
Regulations; P1465 Pupil Behavior-
Alcohol, Drugs, Drug Paraphernalia,
and/or Other Controlled Substances; P1473
Standardized Dress Codes-Regulations;
P5112 Pupil Classroom Discipline; P5113
Suspension and/or Expulsion of Pupils)
❚ Disobedient
which is the failure to comply with the
reasonable directions of school staff and
failing to follow school rules.
(BOE Policies: P1464 Pupil Behavior-
Regulations; P5113 Suspension and/or
Expulsion of Pupils)
❚ Dishonest
which includes stealing, cheating,
plagiarism and lying.
(BOE Policies: P1464 Pupil Behavior-
Regulations; P5113 Suspension and/or
Expulsion of Pupils)
❚ Destructive
which includes destroying, defacing or
vandalizing school property and the
property of others.
(BOE Policies: P1464 Pupil Behavior-
Regulations; P5113 Suspension and/or
Expulsion of Pupils)
Parents and students may request a copy
of these Board of Education Policies from
their school principal
Click to expand...

Maybe this part? Everybody hates Zero Tolerance!
What are zero tolerance policies?
The Wichita Public School District has three zero tolerance policies. If the evidence
determines that a student’s behavior violates any of the three policies, the student will
be disciplined with a 186 school day expulsion from all Wichita Public Schools.
These severe consequences for the prohibited behaviors are necessary to protect all
students and staff in our school district.
The zero tolerance behavior policies are:
• BOE Policy 1462 - Pupil Behavior- Assault and/or Battery of Staff Member
• BOE Policy 1465 - Pupil Behavior-Alcohol, Drugs, Drug Paraphernalia, and/or
Other Controlled Substances
• BOE Policy 1466 - Possession or Use of Weapons
Click to expand...
 
This happened to me in High School as well, the irony being that I wouldn't actually own a firearm until years latter. But, it was 1999 and Columbine happened late into my senior year...

That long black trenchcoat I'd been wearing every day since Junior High suddenly looked a lot more sinister than disheveled. What can I say, I was a teenaged nerd and wanted to look "unique." Also, like most teenaged nerds I was reading a few too many books by Emma Goldstein, Ayn Rand, and George Orwell for my teachers liking... I saw my self as some kind of crypto-anachist, computer nerd, radical. I was really just a geek without a girlfreind, and with a weird taste in books.

A few doodles of anarchy symbols, D&D-inspired demons, and (of course) machine guns and it was off to the principal's office for yours truly. Such fun.

The lesson I learned? You do have rights, but its probably not worth the fight. Keep your head down, do your homework, and get out with as good a GPA as you can muster.

Life is long, high school isn't.
 
I'm just disillusioned with the way school officials think they can run things.
Click to expand...

That's true of any school you'll ever go to. The difference is, things get better in college and you can basically dress however you want, act however you want, and say whatever you want. Just deal with the idiots at your high school and make them happy. Then, in a year or two, you can get "GLOCK PERFECTION" tattooed on your derrière and wear assless chaps and a frilly pink crop top to class and nobody will look at you twice (or maybe they will, but not because they feel threatened ;).

I hated high school even though many events that happened there helped push me into the field that I am in today. I know it's not as fun as you'd like it, but you really do need to just deal with it. If they say, "no pictures of guns". Just smile and suck it up. High School is not the place to make a stand. College, sure. Grad School, even better.
 
Here's the student code of conduct from your school district. Which parts of it do you see as depriving students of their Constitutional Rights?
Click to expand...
Again, you keep trying to argue the academic and the technicality ... no there is no place on paper that it says "shut up kid, you got no rights!" but I guarantee you that as a practical matter, on a day to day basis you have NO right to free speech in school if you're pro gun. Period.

Sure you might be able to fight it and get the suspension or whatever other punishment removed from your record but the net effect is that you still are not free to exercise your rights ... not in the Wichita public schools, not in whatever berg in 'Jersey that Crunker1337 lives, and not wherever "Beaver Valley" is.

Again, we can argue the academic bovine scat until we're blue in the face but the only useful advice one can give ole Crunker (and the millions of kids in his position) is to sit down and shut up. Ride school out until its done, THEN go around asserting your 1st Amendment rights if you want to, but until then school is not the place.

BTW, this part could easily be construed to eliminate your "right" to draw a picture of a gun.
What types of behaviors
are not allowed under our Student Code of Conduct?
The Student Code of Conduct and Board of Education Policies prohibit student behavior
at school, at school sponsored activities, and on buses being used to transport students
for the school district that are:
❚ Violent
which includes hitting, fighting,
inappropriate touching, bullying,
threatening words or actions and the
possession and use of weapons.
Click to expand...
 
Sure you might be able to fight it and get the suspension or whatever other punishment removed from your record but the net effect is that you still are not free to exercise your rights ... not in the Wichita public schools, not in whatever berg in 'Jersey that Crunker1337 lives, and not wherever "Beaver Valley" is.
Click to expand...

There's the key. You want your rights but apparently aren't willing to fight for them when you think they've been violated. I've yet to see any evidence of this trampling of rights presented in this thread, except possibly the OP, but plenty of advice to just accept it (if it's even really happening).
 
on a day to day basis you have NO right to free speech in school if you're pro gun. Period.
Click to expand...


Ughhhhhh.........


http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

It says Congress, not the school board.
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Click to expand...
 
There's the key. You want your rights but apparently aren't willing to fight for them when you think they've been violated.
Click to expand...
Its a matter of cost/benefit analysis.

You're only in Highschool for 3-4 years and you're not jailed for years for your "outburst of individual thought" so in general you are better off to not fight when you're still a student.

Now when you're older, paying taxes, and have some standing in the community THAT is when you push to crush the soul-crushers that run public education.

But while you're still a student you have to live with the day-to-day reality that you're not going to be allowed to express opinions and beliefs that are considered verboten by those that run the schools.


Mine is not an ideological position, merely a pragmatic one.
 
one thing i have come to know is that no matter how many rights you have, you will never be truly at liberty without removing government all together! However, i do not see this happening in the near future. Wouldnt work anyhow due to people being imperfect, but an idealist can dream. but same thing happend to me to except they were looking for explosives. this whole thing got started when someone was putting mexican made m-80s and silver salutes in trashcans around school. meanwhile, i had mentioned that i was going to New Mexico for thanksgiving and would most likely purchase fireworks. big ones. mortars and such. about 2 days go by and i get called into the office where i was cuffed by the officer there while my backpack, vest, and pockets were searched. they thought i had explosives with me all from mentioning fireworks. they found no such articles on my person, HOWEVER i did get saturday detention for a Pro-IRA essay i wrote for a current issues class. and my vest has a slogan on it promoting the IRA. familys irish, been raised a supporter, what can i say?
 
There is a world of difference between doodles of rifles, to bragging about buying out-of-state fireworks when Someone Else is planting out-of-state fireworks around your school...

Writting essays in support of named terrorist organizations, and wearing a vest with slogans of those terrorists is also Not A Smart Thing.

Yeah, yeah, the British were so mean to the Irish. Uh-huh. No matter how favorably you may think of Óglaigh na hÉireann, sporting a IRA vest isn't that far removed from wearing an Al-Qaeda t-shirt...

Sorry, but terrorists ain't cool.
 
sounds like being less vocal about some things you do might be wise

how did you get tagged for the ira essay?
 
Teachers don’t have any rights either. Administrators can be tyrants. Legislators who have no idea what happens in public schools are making the rules.
 
essay

i mean what was it about the essay that they used to justify dicipline him for it.i've a passing familiarity with the ira vs brits and terrorist could be a matter of perspective
 
it is a matter of perspective. one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. my teacher loved the essay and would NEVER turn a student in except for an reason. they searched my bag and the assistant principle was reading a notebook of mine, looking for threats maybe, and he found the essay. they saw IRA in the paper and handed me punishment right there without reading it in context. i wasnt bragging about buying fireworks, i mentioned it when the topic came up between me and a friend. someone must have overheard. also, my vest has 3 political "slogans" on it. one is a big anti-racism/skinhead patch. another is a piece of cloth with the words "fight war, not wars" written on it and sewed to the vest. the IRA slogan stated "free ALL of ireland, support the IRA". sound like im a danger? i think not. just world aware and politically active.
 
Yeah, yeah, the British were so mean to the Irish. Uh-huh. No matter how favorably you may think of Óglaigh na hÉireann, sporting a IRA vest isn't that far removed from wearing an Al-Qaeda t-shirt...
Click to expand...

Dude, if you want me to cook your dinner tonight, you should give serious thought to not dissing the IRA. :fire:
 
I'm not trying to assert my First Amendment rights at all.

I'm just very confused as to why the school feels that it can threaten to suspend me for having a few non-threatening drawings of firearms in my own notebook, but doesn't even give a talking to other kids who wear apparel with weapons all over them.

I'm not trying to get anything done here, I'm just trying to understand why the school did what it did so I can get over my confusion.
 
I hate to say it, but bite the bullet, follow their rules, and be a sheeple. Graduate and you're free to do anything that's legal.

If you really want a court case, legal problems, school problems, etc....press the issue
 
Also, it may have been a quiet inquiry as to how you would react to the situation. It was a probe of your mental state about firearms, plus alot of what was said above.

My students work in Illustrator and create drawings, some have swords, nung chucks, stars, knives and stuff. I've been asked to help draw a gun for one that was making a cariculture of James Bond. Since my school is Pre-K through 8th, my only rule is that it doenst have blood dripping on the stuff they turn into me and post on the LCD screen for people to see. What they put in their portfolio is a reflection of them.

Hang in there and get through. Life is better on the other side!!

John
 
Disillusioned with officials

I'm just disillusioned with the way school officials think they can run things
Click to expand...
That feeling that the wrong people are in charge, that the decisions they are making, the way they interpret the rules all seem to be wrong.

I hate to say it, but it will follow you the rest of your life.

Many here are telling you to suck it up and keep your head down, and thats probably the best advice to get you through school.

I would suggest you learn to both recognize the language and attitude of those in charge that you currently disagree with, and the language and attitude of those that you seem to agree with.

When you can vote, vote often for those that you agree with. It may seem futile, it at times will be futile.

If you don't want to follow "the tallest blade of grass gets cut" lifestyle, then I suggest you follow the rules to a T and speak up at every injustice. Learn to question everything, if something seems wrong, call them on it, keep your administration on their toes, if their explanation is weak, tell them it's not nearly good enough.

This approach will seem just as futile, the only hope is that enough thorns in enough sides might convince some of the administration that the students are not the docile malleable sheep that they want them to be.

The most frustrating part will be that you will come to the realization that you can lead your administration to reason, but you can't make them think.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

D
  • Locked
(IN) Teen wins lawsuit about dress code (USMC Creed)
2
Replies
27
Views
2K
Stand_Watie
S
A
  • Locked
NRA T-Shirt Ban? Court Hammers School
Replies
12
Views
858
gunsmith
G
B
  • Locked
More fun in our schools
Replies
6
Views
681
Joe Demko
J
A
  • Locked
Perhaps a child will lead them all
Replies
19
Views
911
Cool Hand Luke 22:36
C
P
  • Locked
Highschool: Anti-Gun Environment
2
Replies
38
Views
1K
bumm
B
Back
Top