School Unfairly Treated Me?

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"After I'm out of this miserable brain-washing center, things will be different however." Your quote.

First I would try to adjust my attitude. Since you have to be in school you ought to try to enjoy it. teacher are there to HELP you! The (school) rules are in place for YOUR protection and well being.

For what purpose did you have the pictures in school? That is what administration is really concerned about. If you have a legitimate reason explain it to them and let the matter be closed.

There is a difference between be "talked to" and punished.

You can certainly understand why schools are jumpy about guns.

As far as constitutional rights go, the rights of students in our public schools are somewhat abridged. They certainly do NOT, by court case law, enjoy full constitutional rights as students.

I do not think you did ANYTHING wrong. You can push it. But at what cost? If it is really important to you, go ahead. I would let it go.
 
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You know, I've given the school plenty of chances to regain my support, but practically everything it does I disagree with. For instance, we have to stay in class for study halls, we can't leave for lunch, we can't sell candy or soda in school, we have absolutely miserable food (it is literally one grade above dog food), and many other things such as rather poor math program.

I don't see why I should give an entity the benefit of the doubt for another 1.5 years.
 
I don't see why I should give an entity the benefit of the doubt for another 1.5 years.
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You shouldn't. Buuut... maybe you could become a school administrator and change things from the inside. That is, if you really feel strongly about it.

I disagree with others who say you can't do anything about it now. I think you can if you are well prepared and it's done correctly. You won't make friends of the staff, but they cannot ignore you forever if your points are valid and well presented. Just gotta have the fortitude to keep at it.


-T.
 
As hard as it may be to believe now 1 1/2 years will seem like a blink of the eye. Keep your nose clean, put a smile on your face (just remind yourself that you are prtty much smarter than 95% of your teachers) and get thorugh your highschool years. It doesn't matter how smart you are, unless you have a documented education AT LEAST a HS diploma then preferably a college degree or technical degree your life will suck becuase you will be unable to earn a decent living.

If the idea of dropping out of high school starts looking good just stand in front of your mirror and practice this line over and over again...

"Do you want fries with that?"
 
Since you have to be in school you ought to try to enjoy it.
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:scrutiny: I have this mental image of telling some poor rape victim "He's going to do it anyway, you might as well enjoy it."

teacher are there to HELP you! The (school) rules are in place for YOUR protection and well being.
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No, the teacher is there to indoctrinate you into a good servant of the state, the school rules are in place to exert power over you and keep you in line, you're "safety" or "wellbeing" isn't their primary concern.

There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO REASON the school should be punishing children that draw pictures of guns. None. nada. Zip.

In FACT if the schools were really there to teach you ... to mold you into a fully functioning, self actualizing, independent thinking human being they would teach marksmanship and ENCOURAGE children to be interested in firearms.

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks.
-Thomas Jefferson
 
You know, zundfolge, I think you're getting a little carried away now. There's rhetoric, there's fiery rhetoric, and then there's just plain being over-the-top.
In your last post, these two statements:
I have this mental image of telling some poor rape victim "He's going to do it anyway, you might as well enjoy it."
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No, the teacher is there to indoctrinate you into a good servant of the state, the school rules are in place to exert power over you and keep you in line, you're "safety" or "wellbeing" isn't their primary concern.
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fall squarely into that last category.
I don't know what your grudge is against public education, but you're now past making any kind of cogent arguments and well into froth-flecked ranting.
 
Actually the first statement I was commenting more on the structure of the sentence posted by hokkmike ... were I commenting solely on the content of that sentence, it would clearly be hyperbole (but I can see where that could be unclear ... should have used some smilies or something).

But I stand by the second statement.



Public education is one of the primary means by which the left is destroying (has destroyed?) our culture.

It was originally designed not to educate children and make them thinking adults, but to produce clean, well mannered, easily controlled citizens with enough intelligence to be trained to do something useful to the state.

Our public education system is based on the Prussian system which was developed by the Prussians after they were defeated in the Franco Prussian war. They determined that their soldiers were too independent in their thinking to be good soldiers and developed a system to raise children to be good citizen soldiers for the benefit of the state, not the children.



Best thing we could do for our children and the future of our country is completely eliminate these government indoctrination centers-er-public schools and let the free market reign. Good schools will survive, bad schools will die off. Instead we've got this misguided effort to make sure all schools are equally bad (and its working real well).
 
I'm 38 years old.



You've accused me of "froth-flecked ranting" and now you're intimating that I'm either too young to have a legitimate opinion on this subject, or maybe you're trying to say that only irrational, immature people disagree with you.

I guess since you've had to lower this to ad hominems this one's pretty much over eh Joe? :neener:

I'm not the only American with this negative opinion of our public education system http://www.fff.org/freedom/0795n.asp
 
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not wrong but

it constitutes self marginalizatiom. bad enough to be shoved to the side by others worse when your own love of the theatric makes folks discount you as a whackjob
 
Becoming a school administrator...
Well, I certainly don't have any plans for a future in education. Doesn't mean that it's impossible, but I'm not going to plan my life around one event.
 
The reason I ask is that you sound like someone who hasn't too much knowledge of the educational system. Not every question that you don't understand my motives for asking is necessarily an ad hominem.
Our system is modeled on the Prussian system? Some aspects of it are, to be sure. "Modeled after" is not the same as "is identical to." Also, the claims about the system being put in place because the soldiers thought for themselves too much strikes me as utter BS. The Prussian military, and the greater German military modelled and led by them, stressed that soldiers should be able to think for themselves in the fluid environment of a battlefield. How odd that they should devise an educational system with the express purpose of eliminating what they wanted their soldiers to do.

You can make all the claims you want about the gulag nature of schools, but I have been teaching since 1985. The schools have become less authoritarian, not more in that time period. Corporal punishment is gone, just for starters. When I was a kid, any teacher could physically punish any kid right on the spot with no recourse. By the time I started teaching, teachers could still have kids paddled by the administrators after due process and with witnesses. Now...well let's just say that we're discouraged from even grabbing kids in order to break up a fight. In the past, students could be failed in a class because of behavior issues. Today, a student's grade must reflect nothing but his academic work.
The biggest change, though, is that students (and by extension their parents) are entitled to due process in any disciplinary incident. The days of "because I said you are" as enough justification for a detention, suspension, alternate placement, or expulsion are done. Every incident must be documented. The student has repeated opportunities to appeal any decision. Truthfully, they have so many avenues of appeal and so much more than "3 strikes" before being out that it is difficult to get them to take discipline seriously. That is why I find your rantings about gulags and rape and oppression absolutely ridiculous. Once again, how curious that the government sets up a system to make the kids into obedient proles by teaching them that authority can be disobeyed with little to no fall-out.
 
In my school, the way the administration works is instead of taking on the majority of the student body in things that the majority cares about (PDA, cell-phones etc) they concentrate on disciplining the minority groups that no one else seems to care about.
For instance, I can think of off the top of my head several instances of undeniable favoritism towards student athletes, where they don't get the punishment outlined by the rules, and when someone else does something they face the full force of the rule.

Mr. Demko, I'll be honest: I don't think that it's reasonable for you to judge the way my school works by comparing it to yours.
 
So... your situation: who initiated it? I mean, one teacher or security guard or someone saw the drawings and escalated it, right? Sent you to talk to to the school administration and all that. It seems to me (and I apologize if I'm assuming too much) that that is the person to be concerned about the most, rather than the school as a whole. Even if it was "the administration" that gave you the warning, the whole thing started with one person, didn't it?

Also: are you sure none of the people wearing gun shirts have been given warnings? I'd suggest that if you're really uncertain about their policy, you politely and respectively ask someone in the administration if those shirts are ok.

You know, it could be that there are enough kids walking around with gun shirts on that nobody does anything, because that's just the status quo. But, when that one teacher saw your gun drawings it surprised them (because, you know, it wasn't something obvious you wore on your chest) they were having a bad day and they assumed the worst ("is this some disturbed kid that could turn into a school shooter?") and they just overreacted.
 
Mr. Demko, I'll be honest: I don't think that it's reasonable for you to judge the way my school works by comparing it to yours.
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Perhaps. Here's a thought question: Is it fair for others to use how you say your school works as an indictment of public education as a whole?

BTW, you don't have to call me Mr. Demko though I do appreciate the respect it shows.
 
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