444; he really is an Ok guy though, a lot more down to earth than I expected. Still, a little Cooper goes a long way, cause if you dont belong to the clan of the .45 1911, and worship it fully without ever flirting with other auto's and cal's, your a putz in his book. And if you have any use for a .223 your just plain unredeamable to him. So...He's cool to meet, but I'm glad I'm in Phoenix and he's in Prescott.