SD As We Age - What Makes it EZ

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Two recent articles in American Rifleman, both publicly accessible, have given me a lot to think about, and I want to share them here. As we age, our bodies change. At some point two of the most obvious areas of deterioration are eyesight and grip strength. These changes can severely impact our choices for self defense firearms.
The cover article for the Feb 2020 issue is Review: Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield EZ, which goes into great detail explaining how and why the Shield EZ is different from the Shield. The changes in design apply to both the established 380 and the new 9mm. I had not studied these details before (.380 was never on my want-list), so I was surprised at how well thought out the EZ design changes are to the needs of aging or otherwise physically limited shooters.
Linked from the review is a closely related 1/2/2020 article, The Aging Defender, which goes into detail on the effects of aging and recommendations for adjusting firearm selection and use to adapt. This article goes along with one of the seminars at the 2019 NRA Personal Protection Expo in Fort Worth, by Dr. Joe Logar, Doctor of Physical Therapy, on the same topic.
Rather than summarizing the two articles here, I encourage all to read both.

I am in the process of changing my EDC from snubby .38 to double-stack 9mm, so a Shield EZ is not in my immediate future. However, as I move into my 7th decade, I now have it on my short list for update as I feel life changing.

I placed this post in General instead of Autoloaders to get the broadest viewing.
 
exercise is, by far, the most important medicine for mitigating the aging process, imo. I walk and do calisthenics every (almost every) day. blood flow keeps the body healthy and is the basis for all other health improving endeavors.

good luck on your sd adventure,

murf
 
At any age, SD is in the trained mind - SD will start and end with your brain. Survival is by degree of thought and willingness - you must move from sheep to wolf without hesitation - all other factors are just talk without that primal ability.
 
I would add that while aging is a factor, a lot of it involves disabilities of one sort or another that may not correspond with physical age.

Often, revolvers are mentioned as a possibility for self defense for the elderly--easy to check if loaded, easy to load absent time pressure, uses a variety of ammunition including low recoil ammo, and a simple manual of arms. But the downsides are : firing DA is difficult with less hand and trigger figure strength, recoil can be accentuated, reloading can be difficult under pressure due to mechanical manipulations required, limited ammo capacity, in steel--they tend to be heavy, and dropping them can damage them requiring a gunsmith to repair. The single action capability goes both ways--it greatly lessens the trigger pull needed to fire but it requires dexterity to decock a revolver safely. Single action can also be a problem with those lacking sufficient feeling in fingers due to neuropathy whereas accidental discharge likelihood may increase. It is a similar issue with a larger heavier revolver has less recoil and may be easier to handle but it is obviously much less concealable if outside of one's home or car.

Semi-automatics pistols are the other main possibility. The advantages are capacity, recoil handling as part of the recoil impulse is directed into the operation and the impulse itself can be less abrupt due to springs, etc. that stretch it out, usually cheaper than a quality revolver, easier to reload with magazines, usually greater capacity than revolvers, and allows a safety of some sort to be employed (grip, trigger, and/or manual safety). Modern semi-automatics also allow sizing the firearm to the hand a bit more than changing revolver grips so that the power crease between the first joint of the trigger finger can be employed which increases leverage and trigger control. In addition, the 1911 and Browning Hi Power pistols are famous for suiting a variety of hand sizes with tinkering with grips or the flat/arched mainspring cover/housing of the 1911. These also come in an array of different sizes, designs, makers, etc. and pretty much every reputable semi-automatic is tough enough to keep firing if dropped. Most modern ones are drop safe as well.

Disadvantages start with the more difficult manual of arms, some designs, particular striker types, can have very tough recoil springs in order to charge the firearm, this can necessitate using a alternative that can be a bit less safe to rack the slide, malfunction drills can be difficult for those with little hand strength and dexterity, etc. Hammer fired often can ease racking the slide if the hammer is cocked (which might increase risk of AD depending on the model) but usually have a heavier trigger pull. Hammer bite can also be an issue with some with the high hold and accidentally hitting the controls such as a slide release, mag drop, or safety can be an issue.

Visual acuity can be an issue for both semi-autos and revolvers and can be ameliorated to some degree by tailoring the sights to the firearm but this is best done when acquiring one or after familiarity with a particular firearm. That way, the sights are either part of learning the firearm, or simply adjusting the knowledge of an existing firearm to firing with new sights.

I would suspect that the problem of disability and aging is most acute with those who have little, if no firearm experience, and are not familiar with any firearm type. There, the role of the trainer and sales person is critical. Just like the persistent idea of little guns for the women, you get a salesperson or trainer focusing on selling or teaching what works for them and not the customer. Recommending heavy service firearms that have to use belt holsters might not be the best for someone with back issues, they may lack the dexterity to use an IWB, and so on. In the home, many folks might also have problems fumbling with firearm controls in the dark and that medications etc. that can affect the nervous system are often prescribed to be taken at night. Arthritis and joint stiffening can also occur which is often worse when the joints are at rest for awhile.

I think also that we cannot overlook that long arms, either rifles or shotguns, can also be easier to manipulate and easier to fire in some conditions. Modern hi-tech sighting systems and lights are also a common accessory and most people can be taught to shoot long arms far quicker and more accurately than handguns--this is especially true for those with disabilities.

There are some caveats though, while a 12 gauge shotgun might be a closer in a fight--it is also a bruiser unless you use the mini-shells and/or a gas gun or recoil reducing stock. However, a 20 gauge shotgun shell has the approximate energy of two .44 Magnum shells going off at the same time and is available in gas guns along with recoil reducing stocks. However, things that can work for ordinary folks like pump action may not be appropriate for those with limited hand strength as short stroking a pump can render it useless in a fight.

In addition, modern black rifles like the AR system chambered in 5.56/.223/7.62x39/.300 Blackout are also ergonomically friendly, have much less recoil than a shotgun, pack a wallop, and at least in the 5.56/.223 can penetrate less through walls than some pistol ammunition. These can often be quite light if not loaded down with useless trinkets but without the commensurate increase in recoil. Sight lines are longer as well and most of the controls do not require much in hand strength to operate. Ammo capacity in these cases exceeds what was probably fired in total by all parties at the OK Corral in just one magaine but these are exceedingly easy to reload in the AR or AK platforms. An AK or SKS can also serve but some of the controls are simply not as ergonomic as the AR despite my liking for both systems and weight can be an issue with the fixed mag in the SKS. I know a lot of folks also like the older pistol caliber carbines or the M1 Carbine in a home defense role as well which have the advantage of possibly lower flash and noise. A lever action cuts both ways as it does require the dexterity to operate a lever but if familiar to someone can be operated pretty fast and in some potent self defense calibers--the pistol caliber lever actions are particular worthwhile to consider.

I would venture to guess that many of the old line trainers might actually have changed their teaching to accommodate students with disabilities or aging related issues. Not so sure about others but it might be interesting if some folks actually started considering these factors at places like the NTI and other trainer forums as the American population is rapidly aging with a similar increase in disabilities.

Thanks O/P for bringing this up, I have been thinking about these issues for awhile due to personal familiarity with the subject of your post. Sorry to others for a long post.
 
What makes things easy for me is to keep things simple. I have been using revolvers and 1911s for so long they are just second nature to me. While I have me a few newer compact pistols, they have taken me some time to get used to, and while they carry nicely, once they are in my hands they are not the old friend I am used to. The older I get, the fewer dangerous paces I go to and the fewer easily accessible desirable items I have on me and in my home, thus I feel, even to I am more vulnerable, I am not the target I used to be. So, IMHO, what was good enough for me before, is still good enough for me today.
 
What makes things easy for me is to keep things simple. I have been using revolvers and 1911s for so long they are just second nature to me. While I have me a few newer compact pistols, they have taken me some time to get used to, and while they carry nicely, once they are in my hands they are not the old friend I am used to. The older I get, the fewer dangerous paces I go to and the fewer easily accessible desirable items I have on me and in my home, thus I feel, even to I am more vulnerable, I am not the target I used to be. So, IMHO, what was good enough for me before, is still good enough for me today.

That pretty much sums it up for me too!
 
I think murf touched on the main, and most important point. Stay as active as you can, as long as you can, and youll be a lot better off. As soon as you stop being active, things deteriorate quickly.

The better shape you stay in physically, the better shape youre also going to be in mentally, and incorporating weekly, maybe biweekly shooting practice into your routine keeps things in shape there as well. If youre not keeping those key muscle groups up, your shooting will suffer as well.
 
I think murf touched on the main, and most important point. Stay as active as you can, as long as you can, and youll be a lot better off. As soon as you stop being active, things deteriorate quickly.

The better shape you stay in physically, the better shape youre also going to be in mentally, and incorporating weekly, maybe biweekly shooting practice into your routine keeps things in shape there as well. If youre not keeping those key muscle groups up, your shooting will suffer as well.
dry-fire ten minutes per day, or something similar, can also keep those muscle groups up.

murf
 
I've found new life in my exercise/diet routine! Having been an avid weightlifter for a bit over 3 decades, I've realized that I no longer heal like I used to and my joints do not like the heavy weight anymore. While my dream of looking like Conan never materialized, I had added significant weight to my frame (most of it good... okay, well at least 50/50!)

Changing my focus to light weight, grip strength, calisthenics, and losing about 20 pounds, I actually feel good after a workout instead of beat up!

The toughest was my eyesight. I've had better than 20/20 vision my whole life but noticed in the last couple of years that both close and distance were blurring out. Wife convinced me to get an eye exam and, sure enough, I'm sitting at 20/25 with slight astigmatism in both eyes. I've given in on getting some reading glasses and will likely get some for distance in the near future.

Getting old is... interesting.
 
A problem with aging is that I’m not as tough as I used to be. Scenarios, however, pop up that suggest I was never as tough as I used to be.

Take this one: ran into an old boy I despised in the grocery store. I blurt, “Didn’t I kill you ten years ago?”

Memory fades. Could it be that the milk of human kindness always defined my personality?
 
I heard it aint for sissies. :D
Yep. :thumbup:
If I'd known I was going to live this long I'd have taken better care of myself...

I used to be a pistol and CCW instructor but when I started to get that locked finger thing I decided to stop. Last thing I needed was a problem at the range and having a problem with my hand.
 
As I turn 68 this month...I realize some of the problems as stated above. I still will continue to use the .45 ACP and .38 Super Ed Browns and Dan Wessons as my daily carry and "fun guns"....I have pretty much given up the magnum hunting rifles too, and will be admittedly sorry to sell my Ruger 270 to an old friend of mine. I have also decided to down size the hunting rifles to a .260 Rem and a 7mm-08 rifles. For shotgunning I use the trusty old 28ga over under I have had for a long time. Just saying....try to keep in shape, continue to exercise and Long live the Republic!
 
My understanding is the EZ is hammer-fired which makes slide racking easier - as it is also easier on something like a Colt Mustang, P238 or the little Kimber than it is on a G43 or similar. It's also easier to fire the single-action trigger, which I think is a mistake for personal protection. I would rather the trigger be like a Kahr, but with the easy-racking slide of something hammer-fired. There are also things like the grip safety in lieu of a fiddly finger-manipulated safety (although one is optional). Again, I think a smooth, long DAO trigger would be better when considering the totality of circumstances under which the gun must not fire.

I was at the range the other day with a older man. I think he's just in his 70's but has not aged well at all. He has a very awkward body type with narrow hips and a gut that protrudes far out. He wears suspenders to keep jeans up but otherwise, his clothes don't really accommodate his shape. What does that have to do with shooting? Well, my point is that he appeared to be very unhealthy and aging. He looked to be physically weak and his hands were unsteady shook. He was only there to coach students, but carried a Glock 43 on his hip. I didn't get to see him shoot, but it's hard to believe that it wouldn't be with some difficulty. Would the EZ be better for him? I have my doubts.

I comment on this, because I think this is an important issue. It seems to me an area of real need where there are no good solutions.
 
I kind of think of it this way. If you have two equal people fact to face, one with a huge sword and the other a small dagger. I'm willing to bet the person with the dagger wins that fight 99% of the time because he lands the first blow and the fight is over. I think because I am naturally a little bigger than average - more powerful but slow, I've come to appreciate how valuable speed and quickness are compared to raw power.

My point is - don't be concerned IMHO with trying to fire something that hurts your hands, hearing, or causes nervous flinching at any age. Skill, competence, practice, and training are more valuable for anyone at any age - again, just MHO. A larger caliber makes everyone slower, less likely to train regularly, and less likely to enjoy shooting and develop a high level of skill and competence. Also, more likely to develop a flinch or blink, and thus not be as good of a shot if they were using a smaller caliber.

If I was walking into a battlefield I'd want a .45 ACP, but would prefer a rifle. I'm not though - I'm going to buy milk, or some other civilian activity - so, I carry a last resort .32 ACP, and think I'll never have cause to use it. If I do - I'm actually quite skilled with it, because it is fun to shoot and I practice with it a lot.
 
I follow the sentiment of the above, but I think the size and mass of the gun has an effect on the equation. A smaller, lower-energy cartridge could have the kind of advantages described above when fired from a small, lightweight gun compared to larger cartridges in a similarly small and ultralight gun. In a large gun that's nearly 3 pounds like a full-size 1911, an M9, or an L frame revolver, there is no appreciable advantage to 32 or 380 ACP. 32 in a PPK would actually be a lot snappier than any of those other guns in their most common chamberings. A lot of people don't want to carry a 3 pound gun to get milk, but once the gunfight begins, they would be better off in every way than the guy with the little Keltec.
 
I had Carpal Tunnel for the last four years and really couldn’t shoot at all due to the pain from recoil. Three surgeries later my hands are back to normal.
One common problem is that most of the small, easily concealed guns are also lightweight, and the recoil hurts! It’s tough to find guns like the Colt Defender Elite Combat. This little gun has a stainless steel frame so it’s heavy. That weight soaks up recoil and yet the gun is easily concealed. IMO, small heavy guns are largely missing from the market and aging hands need them.
 
At any age, SD is in the trained mind - SD will start and end with your brain. Survival is by degree of thought and willingness - you must move from sheep to wolf without hesitation - all other factors are just talk without that primal ability.

I agree with your statement but would like to add something for consideration. As you age both your mind and body slow down. There are exercises, both mental and physical, that you can do to slow down the process but it's going to happen no matter what you do. You may be able to keep your mind fairly sharp but physical limitations are inevitable. I'm to the age point to where I'm glad to see manufactures addressing this. For some, like my wife, it's too late. Arthritis has ruined her hands and nothing can be done.
 
Maybe I'm just having a brain fart ... what is SD? I read your post several times and coming up blank ... Sweet Dreams? So Drunk? South Dakota? ... Survival (something)

It seems as you (and others which seem to know what you're referring to) is aging and firearms.

As I'm in my mid 60's, also getting "up there" ... but staying active. Mind and Body. I haven't retired yet and so far don't have a plan to, but I know the day is coming.

You mention loosing grip strength I've seen this in my dad and his friends, as well as their wives and widows.
There are alternatives to gripping the slide on most all pistols ... using the rear sight on the edge of your pocket or even a table or chair ... you can also use the front sight if you have a sturdy one like on a 1911, Beretta, Bersa and most except for Glock's and many other plastic pistols with plastic front sights; I didn't know how fragile the glock sight was until I broke one off ... of course it really isn't designed for that.

Personally, I'm not much of a revolver guy, I grew up with the 1911 & Browning HighPower, but completely comfortable with the CZ 75, SiG 226, and although I've got a couple HK pistols, they really don't see much use. And for CCW, Colt Pony, Beretta Model 70 32acp, or S&W Shield.

Of course, there usually a Glock 19 or 26 in the console.

Oh, it just hit me, Self Defence?
 
Maybe I'm just having a brain fart ... what is SD? I read your post several times and coming up blank ... Sweet Dreams? So Drunk? South Dakota? ... Survival (something)

It seems as you (and others which seem to know what you're referring to) is aging and firearms.

As I'm in my mid 60's, also getting "up there" ... but staying active. Mind and Body. I haven't retired yet and so far don't have a plan to, but I know the day is coming.

You mention loosing grip strength I've seen this in my dad and his friends, as well as their wives and widows.
There are alternatives to gripping the slide on most all pistols ... using the rear sight on the edge of your pocket or even a table or chair ... you can also use the front sight if you have a sturdy one like on a 1911, Beretta, Bersa and most except for Glock's and many other plastic pistols with plastic front sights; I didn't know how fragile the glock sight was until I broke one off ... of course it really isn't designed for that.

Personally, I'm not much of a revolver guy, I grew up with the 1911 & Browning HighPower, but completely comfortable with the CZ 75, SiG 226, and although I've got a couple HK pistols, they really don't see much use. And for CCW, Colt Pony, Beretta Model 70 32acp, or S&W Shield.

Of course, there usually a Glock 19 or 26 in the console.

Oh, it just hit me, Self Defence?
 
Don't feel bad..the "Brain Farts" will come with regularity as you age. LOL

That being said...all the more reason to keep the regimen and all of its players familiar. Go with what you've trained with and for.
 
You can't really have a thread about self defense as we age without the Clint Smith quote. "Never start a fight with an old man. He won't fight you. He'll just kill you."

A similar quote says that "Age and experience often overcome youth and skill." (Don't mess with Seniors !!) :evil:
 
You can't really have a thread about self defense as we age without the Clint Smith quote. "Never start a fight with an old man. He won't fight you. He'll just kill you."
I hadn't heard that before - I definitely like it!

I saw a segment of a Cops episode where the officer being recorded responded to a disturbance call. Arriving on the scene was a younger man on the ground, and a male senior citizen. The interview with the senior citizen went something like "Well, when he came at me, the first thing I did was go for his eyes. I was in the paratroopers, and that's the way we were trained!".
 
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