SD shooting video: where'd the shot(s) hit?

[Vinnie Boombatz]

i'm sure most people have seen this here already, but can people analyse the vid and figure out where the perp was hit? i ask because it appears he was killed in an instant. like he didn't slightly react to the hit. he just dropped. the shop owner fired multiple times at this target before turning to the other, but can't be sure how many hit; though it appears the first hit did it. was it a head shot? a neck shot that hit the lower Thoracic cord, dropping him, not necessarily killing him, explaining the left arm appearing to voluntarily move for a moment after he dropped? a shot to the heart would be fatal but not necessarily in an instant, typically.
any thoughts? looked like a 1911 type. who knows what caliber.

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[Kleanbore]

Can't tell, and if I could, it would not tell me anything.

 

[Sarge7402]

From the way he goes down and the lack of pooled blood around his head, I'm guessing that it was a center of mass or armpit hit that cut his spinal column. Does not appear (from the short video ) that the slug exited the body.

 

[Jeff White]

Without autopsy results all you are doing is guessing. Even with autopsy results there is no way to account for factors like adrenaline and emotions.

Read the citations of Medal of Honor recipients and you'll find many examples of men who continued to function well past the point their bodies were destroyed. On the other side of the coin, there are plenty of documented examples of people who dropped over dead immediatly after being shot and according to science their wounds shouldn't have been immediately fatal or even fatal at all.

If you want to stop your assailant in the most expedient way possible the best you can do is try to cause rapid loss of blood pressure rendering your attacker unconscious.

Sure, a central nervous center hit is like flipping the "off switch", but the body protects the central nervous center very well. That immediate kill shot is hard to make.

 

[Sarge7402]

Actually parking one in the brain pan hits the kill switch almost 100% of the time. You are right that we are making an educated guess without the autopsy results. However, it's doubtful that civilians will ever see those on this shooting.

 

[Jeff White]

Actually parking one in the brain pan hits the kill switch almost 100% of the time.

Like I said, the body is well designed to protect the central nervous system. The "brain pan" is encased in the skull which is very hard bone and rounded and it's a lot smaller then most people think. Shoot a fraction of an inch too low and you miss it entirely. Handgun bullets might not penetrate or even deflect. In a fight the head is likely to be moving which makes hit probability even less.

I still teach and practice head shots, but we shouldn't expect a hit to the head to be the "kill switch" anymore then we should expect a hit to any part of the body. Do you remember the guy who was shot in the face with 5.56 from an M4 at point blank range by an FBI agent who had a negligent discharge at a roadblock several years back? He had a lot of damage but he didn't die.

 

[mbok1947]

That shot would have likely entered wherever it hit on a basically level plane, which would mean any round striking the face, throat or head below say the eye level would have pretty much pulverized the brain stem which is the seat of involuntary life processes. It would also probably sever the spinal cord at the brain stem level. Those factors would be about as close to an instant death shot as you can get. The absence of blood/brain matter being visible doesn't mean much since the camera only shows the downed perpetrator for another two seconds or so, which is hardly time for the still pumping heart to eject a lot of blood through whatever wounds were inflicted. While the immediately fatal gunshot wound is indeed pretty rare, it's not unheard of when the round is perfectly placed. I saw a few aftermaths with massive head wounds where the position of the body and other signs showed that the person we pretty much what we used to call DRT, meaning dead right there. And if the heart stops fairly soon you won't have that much blood anyway.

 

[JohnKSa]

Probably cut the brainstem or the spinal cord up very high near the brain. Based on what's seen when shooting animals, a brain shot that leaves the spinal cord intact usually results in reflexive movement following a short period of inactivity immediately after the shot. The scrambled brain is still putting out signals but it's all nonsense.

If there is no movement at all that means that nothing is getting from the brain to the rest of the body. That means that the brain is disconnected from the rest of the body and that means a hit high up on the spinal cord or a hit into the very base of the brain that destroys the brainstem.

 

[macgrumpy]

Center mass or slightly low but in line with the spine.

 

[Az-quailhunter]

All I know is that shop owner was READY for the scumbag attacks! Bravo for him.

 

[a_canadian]

The attacker has fired one shot first, landing between the two intended victims. He has dropped his magazine so there are no follow-up shots. The magazine dropped as he was about 1 to 2 feet past the column from the camera's perspective. He realizes his error while keeping the first gun up, fires with a weak grip allowing the pistol to rotate to the right as he fires.

As the attacker fumbles for the second pistol with his off hand the owner fires his first round well to the attacker's left (right from our perspective), probably striking the far well between the target and the column. The attacker is realizing the desperate nature of his situation and begins quick-stepping backwards, hampered apparently by his comfortably untied footwear and his low-riding jeans. The shopkeeper's second shot goes off as the brass from the first is just exiting view, and is apparently aimed center mass. Best I can make out in blowing up a screenshot of the instant that shot leaves the bore it is lined up with heart and spine, which would explain the instant lower body function disabling effect as well as the fast blood pressure drop to the brain leaving the attacker unconscious and fading fast. This shot also apparently strikes the outer edge of the glass display case (which shatters) on the way to the target, which may have deflected the bullet slightly upwards. Combined with the attacker already stumbling as he in the midst of several deliberate steps backwards the low shot and low attacker position result in the correct point of impact. Whether this was deliberate on the store guy's part is for him to know and anyone else to guess, but owing to the nature of the first and third shots I'd guess there's a little bit of both involved.

The third shot goes to the attacker's right - the brass is just visible leaving the gun in this frame. The shopkeeper has basically sprayed three shots in very rapid succession, right to left from his perspective, and the second shot found its target. His 'group' looks to have been between 3 and 4 feet wide at a range of about 15 feet. I may be being too charitable on the path of the third shot - on examining adjacent frames it appears the front glass panel on the display case is penetrated by the third bullet about a foot to the left of the red line I've drawn - I was just going from a 400% enlargement of the photo and drawing parallel to the pistol slide at that instant. Since the ghost of the brass is showing in that frame an inch or two from the slide, it seems likely the pistol has whipped to the right slightly after the shot itself was missed between video frames.

 

[beatcop]

CNS is the light switch.
A lot of stress right there.