Self defense questions/new gun owner

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Think of the consequences, but don't think too much.

If you are sound of mind you will assess a threat accordingly.

"Leave me alone" has worked for a lot of situations in which I was being made uncomfortable.
 
Sam1911 said:
...There isn't any place in the US where the killing of another person is a lawful act. If you tell the police, "I shot him..." you are guilty of the killing. Almost all places, however, have a set of "affirmative defenses" which allow that guilt to be set aside. ....You've already admitted guilt, so the burden falls on you ...
This is so important to understand, and perhaps so counter-intuitive, that it bears repeating and perhaps some amplification.

Defending yourself against a criminal charge with a plea of self defense is very different from the normal types of defense against a criminal charge. The usual defense to a criminal charge is some variation on I wasn't there/I didn't do it/Somebody else did it/And you can't prove I did it. But if you are claiming self defense, you will be admitting that you did it and that you did it intentionally. Your defense is that you were legally justified in doing what you did.

Basically --

[1] The prosecutor must prove the elements of the underlying crime beyond a reasonable doubt -- basically that you intentionally shot the guy. But if you are pleading self defense, you will have admitted that, so we go to step 2.

[2] Now you must present evidence from which the trier of fact could infer that your conduct met the applicable legal standard justifying the use of lethal force in self defense. Depending on the State, you may not have to prove it, i. e., you may not have to convince the jury. But you will have to at least present a prima facie case, i. e., sufficient evidence which, if true, establishes that you have satisfied all legal elements necessary to justify your conduct.

[3] Now it's the prosecutor's burden to attack your claim and convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that you did not act in justified self defense.

Let's go through that again.

In an ordinary criminal prosecution, the defendant doesn't have to say anything. He doesn't have to present any evidence. The entire burden falls on the prosecution. The prosecution has to prove all the elements of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

If the crime you're charged with is, for example, manslaughter, the prosecution must prove that you were there, you fired the gun, you intended to fire the gun (or were reckless), and the guy you shot died. In the typical manslaughter prosecution, the defendant might by way of his defense try to plant a seed that he wasn't there (alibi defense), or that someone else fired the gun. In any case the defendant doesn't have to actually prove his defense. He merely has to create a reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors.

But if you are going to be claiming self defense, you will wind up admitting all the elements of the crime. You will admit that you were there, that you fired the gun, and that you intended to shoot the decedent. Your defense is that your use of lethal force in self defense satisfied the applicable legal standard and that, therefore, it was justified.

So now you would have to affirmatively present evidence from which the trier of fact could infer that your conduct met the applicable legal standard justifying the use of lethal force in self defense. In some jurisdictions, you may not have to prove it, i. e., you don't have to convince the jury. But you will at least have to present a prima facie case, i. e., sufficient evidence which, if true, establishes that you have satisfied all legal elements necessary to justify your conduct.

Then it will be the prosecutor's burden to attack your claim and convince the jury (in some jurisdictions, he will have to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt) that you did not act in justified self defense. And even if you didn't have to prove self defense (only present a prima facie case), the more convincing your story, and your evidence, is, the harder it will be for the prosecutor to meet his rebuttal burden.
 
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...is worth reading, studying, rereading, remembering, and bookmarking (as I have).

Fact is, it has all been said many times before and in a number of different ways, but this rendition could replace them all.
 
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