selling a gun - any feelings of responsibility?

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I haven't sold very many guns. The few I have sold went to acquaintances or dealers. I don't sell to strangers, as that feels irresponsible. I won't sell them to friends, as that tends to damage friendships - I'd rather give them a gun than sell it to them.
 
I won't sell them to friends, as that tends to damage friendships
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Only if one was trying to screw the other, in which case it wasn't really a friendship to begin with.

I have sold many firearms to friends (most that I've sold). Always gave them a good deal, but never so good that I felt shorted. Everybody wins.
 
When I've sold or traded out of a firearm, I've included requirements of an Oregon CHL and a bill of sale. I definitely believe in responsibility to my community, and I'm not selling or trading to a criminal.
 
I don't sell my guns, but if I did I would do a bit more than the legal minimum unless it was somebody who I knew for a fact was not prohibited.

The thing so many of the previous posters need to realize is we will only keep this right as long as there is not a highly publicized incident involving a prohibited person and a private sale. If that happens then we will see an actual "bipartisan gun bill" and not just some feel good thing attracting a hand full of republican cross overs.
 
Never had a problem, so I don't know how I would feel if a firearm I sold FTF was used in a crime. But I suspect that I wouldn't feel anything at all because I doubt I would even know about it.
 
The thing so many of the previous posters need to realize is we will only keep this right as long as there is not a highly publicized incident involving a prohibited person and a private sale. If that happens then we will see an actual "bipartisan gun bill" and not just some feel good thing attracting a hand full of republican cross overs.
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I don't think we need to worry that our rights are quite so fragile as all that. If this collection of unfortunate events could conspire to shut down our rights so easily, it would have happened by now.

I'm all for responsibility, but sometimes we're downright fearful and that's really only good for fundraising.
 
The thing so many of the previous posters need to realize is we will only keep this right as long as there is not a highly publicized incident involving a prohibited person and a private sale. If that happens then we will see an actual "bipartisan gun bill" and not just some feel good thing attracting a hand full of republican cross overs.
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Lol so to keep them from requiring a background check on every sale you'll just go ahead and do one?
 
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Do you feel any sort of responsibility to get a background check on the individual you are selling to (provided you don't already know them) when dealing with a modern carbine or high capacity handgun?
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I initially intended to answer with a simple no. Then I thought about it and felt like I was wrong - that the responsible thing would be to go ahead with a background check. Then I thought about it some more and realized how hypocritical that stance would be, mostly because I don't believe any gun is "dangerous." And if no gun is dangerous, no gun can be considered more dangerous than another gun, regardless of specs, features, or caliber.

So no. No background checks here.
 
I don't think we need to worry that our rights are quite so fragile as all that. If this collection of unfortunate events could conspire to shut down our rights so easily, it would have happened by now.
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I kinda agree with this current congress any gun legislation is probably getting blocked, but they might not always be so friendly.

Lol so to keep them from requiring a background check on every sale you'll just go ahead and do one?
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Not exactly. I like I can buy a gun off a friend of mine and I don't have to go to an FFL pay a fee do paperwork, and involve the feds. I want to keep it that way. That's why we should all want to keep private sales legal; so every single transfer of our owned property doesn't involve a fee and paperwork.
 
Warp said:
BTW: Keep in mind that hammers are used to commit more murders than AR or AK type rifles. By far.
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Not even remotely true.

But please, continue to complain about how "antis" use bad facts/lies and then turn around and do it yourself.
 
Warp said:
BTW: Keep in mind that hammers are used to commit more murders than AR or AK type rifles. By far.
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Not even remotely true.

But please, continue to complain about how "antis" use bad facts/lies and then turn around and do it yourself.
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They do not separate out Hammers just like they dont separate out type of rifle.


From FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 2011
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8


Handguns 6,220
Rifles 323
Shotguns 356
Other guns 97
Firearms, type not stated 1,587
Knives or cutting instruments 1,694
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 496
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) 728
Poison 5
Explosives 12
Fire 75
Narcotics 29
Drowning 15
Strangulation 85
Asphyxiation 89
Other weapons or weapons not stated 853
 
It may be wise to separate that data by state, tarosean. When we look at it that way (America as a whole), it seems that guns may indeed be a problem. But whenewe see that an overwhelming majority of those gun murders were committed in states with very strict firearm regulations (CA, NJ, NY, etc), we see the whole truth - that the problem is much more likely to be a lack of firearm ownership among the law-abiding.

Just saying, if we're going to link statistics, may as well do it in a way that isn't misleading.
 
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Yes, b/c texas is known for those strict gun laws...

Listing by # isn't important anyway. CA, TX, and NY have the highest populations, not surprising they ave the highest numbers.

Odd thing... I looked at your link tarosean.... Am i blind or is Florida not listed?

"Blunt objects" includes just about everything except gus and stabbing/cutting tools. Shovels, frying pans, rocks, chairs, mugs, hockey sticks, etc.

Hmmm... We have gotten a bit off topic with this.
 
Listing by # isn't important anyway. CA, TX, and NY have the highest populations, not surprising they ave the highest numbers.
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Yep the Top 10 pretty much mirrors population... (No your not blind FL is not listed.. I suppose they do not submit the supplemental information to the FBI)

Top 10 Population 2013..

1 *California
2 *Texas
3 *New York
4 *Florida
5 *Illinois
6 *Pennsylvania
7 *Ohio
8 *Georgia
9 *Michigan
10 *North Carolina
 
Looks like the only big mover among top 10 is Illinois is 5th in population but 10th in murders ( probably 11th, actually, if florida were included).
 
I personally don't understand the logic of being against mandatory background checks, then running background checks of your own free will. Is it that many of you think its a good idea privately, but don't want to be told that you HAVE to? My responsibility as a gun owner is to follow the law. If I do that, and the person doesn't immediately set off red flags (like showing up for the sale in a Hells Angels cut or some such thing that indicates probable criminal activity) I can rest easy at night. I'm not going to stress out about the maybes and what could possibly happen in a worst case scenario, any more than the clerk at the liquor store worries that every pint of Jim Beam he sells will lead to a drunk driving accident or case of domestic abuse.
 
tarosean said:
They do not separate out Hammers just like they dont separate out type of rifle.


From FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 2011
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8


Handguns 6,220
Rifles 323
Shotguns 356
Other guns 97
Firearms, type not stated 1,587
Knives or cutting instruments 1,694
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 496
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) 728
Poison 5
Explosives 12
Fire 75
Narcotics 29
Drowning 15
Strangulation 85
Asphyxiation 89
Other weapons or weapons not stated 853
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No, they don't separate out type of rifle. But using what we do know it is clear that AR/AK type rifles are extraordinarily rare murder weapons. After all...323 for ALL rifles!
 
If I was uncomfortable with the individual and sold him the weapon, no matter what kind, and something bad happened, yes I would feel responsible because I did not act on my instincts. I do feel it is betterto work through an FFL dealer. Then nothing can come back on me.
 
The thing so many of the previous posters need to realize is we will only keep this right as long as there is not a highly publicized incident involving a prohibited person and a private sale. If that happens then we will see an actual "bipartisan gun bill" and not just some feel good thing attracting a hand full of republican cross overs.
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If dozens of children getting gunned down by a psychotic evil PERSON didn't get the AWB put back into effect, I doubt one incident such as you mention is going to have any noticeable effect.

I kinda agree with this current congress any gun legislation is probably getting blocked, but they might not always be so friendly.
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Very true. We must continue to elect leaders who are for our 2A rights. We're fortunate right now and we must stay diligent to keep it that way.
 
No, I don't sell to anyone who looks the least bit "off". They have the propped ID, and could go an purchase in a gun store.
 
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