Sheeple? Maybe just plain common sense

[Waffen]

With that kind of thinking, everybody except you should stop existing. With nobody around you, and the ghost-cities that would remain you could sustain yourself for the rest of your life danger free.

Perhaps if you don't want to be that extreme, we could just give up our vehicles for you're safety. Car accidents happen every day. Infact I am sure you see at least one a day driving to work. To avoid all the needless destruction and death we should all stop driving.

Or perhaps you could play nice, and not assume that everybody around you is an idiot, incapable of intelligent thought or action. Maybe that is unreasonable.

I think we can start a new saying for you. "Think of the MikeMck"

 

[longhorngunman]

Having done business with Mike I can attest that he is a good guy and definetly not a troll. I feel the same way sometimes when I meet nuts at the shows and at the range. Yes every law-abiding tax-paying citizen of this country has the right to own weapons and protect themselves and their loved ones, but with that right comes a lot of responsibility, maturity, and good decision making skills. Yes most of us have these traits, but many unfortunately do not.

 

[kfranz]

Yes every law-abiding tax-paying citizen of this country has the right to own weapons

Ah, so now we've got to pay taxes to have rights....

 

[2nd Amendment]

I believe what has people's "panties in a twist" is your implied superiority. Your position that your opinion is "just common sense". Frankly I see it as anything but common sensical and I fail to see any superiority on your part.

I am absolutely certain you have done idiotic things. At some point you have endangered someone else. Somewhere along the line you have done something with a firearm that other responsible adults would call dangerous. I'd cite the implied failure to do something about the range idiocy you claimed to witness as an example of all of the above.

Also, as Art noted, "sheeple" is a political term referring to the vast majority of people who are content to let things go on around them without a fuss so long as those things don't directly adversely affect the "sheeple's" favorite activities. I first noted it on conservative forums in general, though it shows up on lefty boards as well. I can't say I ran across it on gun forums to any great degree until long after I heard it in real life and saw it elsewhere online.

perhaps you should get out more, associate with some of those people you apparently look down on? You realize your attitude is the ultimate example of the kind of person who refers to everyone else as sheeple, don't you?

 

[Waffen]

I agree with you 100% longhorngunman. However you do understand that MikeMck does not even care if you personally shoot or not? You are deemed unsafe and unfit to own a gun even if you meet all the qualifications you listed, law or moral.

 

[itgoesboom]

Furthermore, I would be perfectly happy if I was the only gun owner on the entire planet.

Hear that? That sound of clickity clack?

Thats the sound of 5,000 member of THR putting you on their ignore lists.

BTW, welcome to THR.

I.G.B.

 

[Beethoven]

"Sheeple" is a very popular term bandied about, mainly by gun owners, on the internet and even in magazines. It's obviously a derogatory term, buy maybe these so called "sheeple" just have a bit more common sense than gun owners give them credit for.

For instance, I don't like to frequent public ranges, especially if other gun owners are there shooting. I have seen way way too much idiocy at the range to be comfortable around the average joe while they are handling a gun.
Same goes for gun stores, and gun shows as well. It's not only scary, it can be quite dangerous. That's the simple truth, and there is no getting around it. ND's have happened on ranges, in gun stores, and at gun shows.

Simple common sense tells me it's safer to stay away from these places.

Furthermore, I would be perfectly happy if I was the only gun owner on the entire planet. Or at least the only gun owner among any people I come into contact with. Again, simple common sense. It's just too easy to be a danger to people with a gun, accidentally or otherwise. Nobody owning a gun but me is obviously safer, for me.
"In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king".

All of this is obvious, and really is just common sense, so maybe the next time you are tempted to label someone as a "sheeple", perhaps you should think twice.

Replace the words "gun" and "range" with "car" and "highway" and I agree with you 100%.

 

[mikemck]

I believe what has people's "panties in a twist" is your implied superiority. Your position that your opinion is "just common sense". Frankly I see it as anything but common sensical and I fail to see any superiority on your part.

So people with guns are not dangerous? The numerous threads on these and any other gun forum about people doing completely stupid things with guns is not true?
Morons with guns are dangerous. There is no point in debating that.
A moron with a gun is much more dangerous than a moron with a knife, especially accidentally. That's just true.
If it was not, everyone would just carry a knife and be done with it, but like some are so fond of saying, "don't bring a knife to a gunfight".

I am absolutely certain you have done idiotic things. At some point you have endangered someone else. Somewhere along the line you have done something with a firearm that other responsible adults would call dangerous.

Yep, I have. I myself have even had a ND. It's damned dangerous and completely inexcusable. It would be completely inane of me not to understand someone not wanting to be around me and guns. I understand it completely.
I also firmly believe that there are those who have had a ND and those who will.
Given that, I guess I would rather be around one who has had one, as opposed to someone that will.

I'd cite the implied failure to do something about the range idiocy you claimed to witness as an example of all of the above.

Cite all you want. If you want to confront armed people, go for it. I applaud you for doing so.
I can only imagine how handily you would have dealt with this situation:

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=141870

perhaps you should get out more, associate with some of those people you apparently look down on? You realize your attitude is the ultimate example of the kind of person who refers to everyone else as sheeple, don't you?

I associate with a good many people, from all walks of life, and I don't look down on anyone. I also don't delude myself into thinking everyone is the same, and people with guns might not end up shooting me by accident.

No, my attitude is not an example of the people who refer to others as sheeple at all. Humans make mistakes, simple as that. I do, you do, everyone does.
Purely as a matter of safety, being around humans with guns is inherently unsafe, just as I said.

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

And yet you post in this thread anyway..Why is that? Seriously?
Your post count? What?

This is the first indication that you are not to be taken seriously: your defensive reaction and attempt at redirecting the discussion toward a dead end subject.

Posting something that admits that gun owners are in fact a danger to those around them quite often does not make a troll, it's just the honest truth.

"QUITE OFTEN"?

Billions of rounds of ammunition expended each and every year by millions of gun owners, and still a total death figure of appx. 30,000 per year (many of those being suicides), and you say that gun owners are "quite often" a danger.

Funny how the pathetically insignificant percentage of harm: usages utterly does not support your thesis.


So why would you single out guns and not anything else that people can own or use that makes them a danger to the rest of the public?
- nail guns
- automobiles
- boats and personal watercraft
- gasoline
- household chemicals
- sports equipment

I have seen or heard of ALL of these things being used to hurt others due to the user's negligence, stupidity, incompetence, malice, or any combination thereof.

It does not bother me at all if I am the only gun owner on the entire planet that thinks the way I do, and the rest of the people on this forum should feel much better knowing you all feel just the opposite.

If you hold these feelings about guns, I wonder what you feel about cars, and why you said nothing about them.

We know that we gun owners go on over to democraticunderground and piss them off there by talking pro-gun. It would not surprise me if you were one of them, coming over here to stir up trouble by saying idiotic and irrational things about guns to us.

I recognize that there is some kernel of understandable angst or frustration that you are (attempting to express) -- I know of people doing stupid things with guns that make us all look bad. And you can never know if as you walk past someone's window, he is attempting to clean his gun with a loaded chamber pointed across his lap right at your head. But by the same token, you can never know that the guy in the Chevy coming down the street toward you is not trying to use his cellular phone, electric shaver, newspaper and egg mcmuffin, and about to cross the centerline and hit you head-on, killing you and your family. (And in that case, at least a negligent, non-murder-intending gun owner who screwed up would probably take out no more than one of you.)

Like most anti-gunners, your derision is misdirected at the cause of the FEWER problems. It would be like going after human electrocutions by bug-zappers before you solved the child swimming-pool drowning problem first. An agenda blinds you to the priority that things should be given.

Maybe you should have been careful to simply say, "I know we all have a right to them, but sometimes the careless way in which some gun owners act makes me lament that we can't limit ownership magically to only those who are careful and conscientious."

Is that more what you meant? 'Cause I can agree with that. It's not the same as coming across as though you wish you were the only one, the elite, the emperor. You most certainly are not. I know that I personally am no more of a danger to you with my guns than any unarmed person is to you. To me, YOU might be the reckless idiot that you think I might be, so maybe I should wish YOU didn't have guns.

Meanwhile, your defensiveness in responding to people poking legitimate holes in your position indicates that you are more than likely just a troll, yeah. Rather than coming back with rational discourse, you say things like, "Well if I'm just a troll, aren't you embarrassed to reply to me?" crap.


-Jeffrey

 

[2nd Amendment]

I assume you might just be making a very simple point here, Mike, but if I am wrong just tell me(not that you'd shrink from being blunt ) but the point is being around people is dangerous. You might trip me, spill hot coffee on me, run over me with your car, drop a house on me and my little dog, too. In that regard yes, I often wish I didn't have to deal with anyone who had any ability or capacity that I did not solely control.

Am I getting warm? Or are you just poking a hornets nest to see what comes out?

 

[Ridge]

Sorry firend but in your first post you did seem to have an elitist air about you.

I do agree that a large number of firarms owners are very level headed when it comes to firearms and their uses.

But with every group of the populance we too have those that we wouldn't (as well as most of society)want to be around,or asociated with.

Frankly there are people carring that I wouldn't trust with a sling shot,not to mention a firearm.

But at the same time you take the good with the bad,you have a large number of the good (Level headed gun toters) vs the smaller number of the bad(The bubba's of the world).

Know I don't mind a good debate but I do mind when when peopl slander others,reguardless of which side of the issue they stand for.

If you stand for citizen gun ownership then I think we should all stick together.

If you oppose the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms,Then you shouldn't be here unless you want to hear our side of it.

If you want to hear both sides and form an opinion of your own then by all means you are welcome.

 

[mikemck]

[/quote]I assume you might just be making a very simple point here, Mike, but if I am wrong just tell me(not that you'd shrink from being blunt ) but the point is being around people is dangerous.[/quote]

Yes, being around people is dangerous, but the key is truthfully evaluating the potential danger. Obviously.
A loaded gun is easily more potentailly dangerous than a cup of coffee, of course. A violent criminial is obviously more potentially dangerous than a moron with a gun.

A human being with a gun is more dangerous to me than a person without one.
Therefore, yes, I do not like to be around people with guns, and I make no bones about it. Further, of the people I have personally met from these and other gun forums, ironically enough usually buying or selling guns, say the same thing, for the most part.

You might trip me, spill hot coffee on me, run over me with your car,drop a house on me and my little dog, too. In that regard yes, i often wish I didn't have to deal with anyone who had any ability or capacity that i did not solely control.

Yes, that's true. However, killing you with a cup of coffee is just about impossible, accidentally or otherwise.

Cars and highways are even more dangerous than people with guns, simply because I encounter more of them. Again, that's just so obvious it's not worth pointing out.

Am I getting warm? Or are you just poking a hornets nest to see what comes out?

Sure, sometimes poking a nest is fun, but honestly, are these forums just for preaching to the choir and commiserating with each other? I know they are for quite a few people, but it's hard to believe the entire forum is like that.

My post was completely sincere, and is just exacly how I feel. Good on anyone else who feels differently.

 

[Solo]

I think we can all agree its a bad idea to feed trolls.

 

[CleverName]

Can't kill you with a mug of coffee? Really?

Let's say I splash the coffee in your face to distract/disable you, smash the mug on the ground, find the biggest, sharpest chunk, and shove that into your neck.

Or even if I did the first step only (assume for a second I trip and the coffee goes flying into you), wouldn't that leave you with burns across a good chunk of your face?

Obviously we shouldn't trust anybody with coffee.

 

[mikemck]

We know that we gun owners go on over to democraticunderground and piss them off there by talking pro-gun. It would not surprise me if you were one of them, coming over here to stir up trouble by saying idiotic and irrational things about guns to us.

It boggles my mind why someone would ask me why I would post what I did here on a gun forum.
For god's sake, where else would I post something about gun owners? Somehwere where none of them can see and respond to it?
Evidently that's exactly what some of you do, for kicks, like little kids.
You have no interest in any inteligent response to your drivel, so you scurry back over here and giggle about how you trolled some other board.

I guess it takes all kinds..


I just can't respond to the rest of what you posted though, it's completely silly with the amateur analysis and whatnot.
I could have worded my original post any number of ways, but the fact is I wrote it just like you and everyone else read it, and that's exactly the way I meant it, as always.

 

[CleverName]

I've never even so much as visited DU.

I don't personally agree with posting there in order to get people riled up. I've seen internet forum wars and they are the most childish things imagineable - lots and lots of pointless namecalling, blustering, personal attacks, slurs, links to disgusting photos, etc. Can't we do something a little more... productive with our time?

I for one need to work on Chem lab, so I bid you goodbye.

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

It boggles my mind why someone would ask me why I would post what I did here on a gun forum.
For god's sake, where else would I post something about gun owners? Somehwere where none of them can see and respond to it?
Evidently that's exactly what some of you do, for kicks, like little kids.
You have no interest in any inteligent response to your drivel, so you scurry back over here and giggle about how you trolled some other board.

I guess it takes all kinds..

You are far more interested in baiting us into disagreeing with you and then berating and belittling us and our points of view than you are in genuinely discussing anything.

That qualifies you as a TROLL.

Take your condescending attitude and... keep it to yourself. I'm through with you.

And no, going into DU and exposing them to the rational basis for support of gun ownership is quite different from your brand of idiotic trollng.

You must be about 17, 18 years old, from your demeanor. You argue your side like someone who hasn't learned a whooooole lot of lessons in life yet.

Now you can shoot back to me with how you're older than I am and have lived so much more of a life blah blah blah and I don't know nuthin' and all that crap. Too bad I'll probably have you on ignore by then, like a lot of others.


-Jeffrey

 

[SpaceCowboy]

Your honesty is admirable. And your self loathing is absolutely fascinating. What is it precisely that terrifies you about people with guns? Is it the person or the gun? Why are you so frightened by an inanimate object? As a person with a gun you must find it difficult to live with yourself. Are you sure it is the other person with the gun that you are affraid of, or what you with your gun are capeable of? If you can't even politely correct someone at the range you have no spine. No wonder you need a gun, you're scared of your own shadow. Remember, it isn't the gun that you should be affraid of, it's the person behind the trigger. As to your superiority in your singley armed world --on the planet beyond pluto (for those that read his "example")-- you are the quintesential liberal elitist. All for me and none for the rest. I reject your assertion of safety in you being the only armed individual in your degenerate world (not only because absolute power corrupts absolutely) but in the fact that the material object being used to bring about harm is irrelevant.

 

[mikemck]

You are far more interested in baiting us into disagreeing with you and then berating and belittling us and our points of view than you are in genuinely discussing anything.

Yes, you have me all figured out. I truly am more interested in belittling you personally, after you amateurish analysis and telling me how I should have worded what I wrote. That's the truth.

I am not interested in, and have not, belittled anyone else, other than the guy who, even after quoting directly what I wrote, again insisted I wanted to "take" his guns.

Take your condescending attitude and... keep it to yourself. I'm through with you.[/qoute]

Thank god for that. You had little to say, and none of it was interesting.
Thank you for leaving this thread, I sincerely appreciate it.

 

[2nd Amendment]

Is anyone doing the count down till thread lock sets in and the Ban Stick comes crashing down?

 

[mikemck]

Your honesty is admirable. And your self loathing is absolutely fascinating.

It's sound like you and PeacefulJeff took the same correspondence course.
I don't loath myself, or anyone else for that matter.
I'm just honest about my opinion.

What is it precisely that terrifies you about people with guns? Is it the person or the gun? Why are you so frightened by an inanimate object?

Why did you bother to ask if I was "terrified" of the person, or the gun, if you had already decided it was the inanimate object? Just a formality, before you soldiered on with the analysis?

I'm not terrified by either, by the way.

As a person with a gun you must find it difficult to live with yourself. Are you sure it is the other person with the gun that you are affraid of, or what you with your gun are capeable of? If you can't even politely correct someone at the range you have no spine.

Okay, you caught me out. I have no spine.

Are you sure your not Jefferey?

 

[SpaceCowboy]

I am sure I am not. And I am glad you had the courage to admit that you have no spine if some random guy on the range, acting dangerously, frightens you enough that you would rather leave than correct him or at that very least alert that range officer. And yes, it was a build up. Apparently I attended a better university that you did. Or maybe my conservative father could afford a better one. Liberals are notoriously poor, because they always help those that are less fortunate.

 

[DonNikmare]

I see a bunch of pointless arguing with no end or goal in sight

I vote that this thread get moderated to a close.

Oh, and yes...

 

[CleverName]

OK, I just have to come back from my lab report to ask this:

Is the following a correct summary of your position?

You are worried about the dangerous mishandling of firearms around you. Sometimes you wonder why such people have firearms, and do not feel comfortable around these people. Since you see so many people mishandle firearms, perhaps it would be best if nobody had them because you have not seen anybody handle them in a way that would make you comfortable.

 

[SpaceCowboy]

It's sound like you and PeacefulJeff took the same correspondence course.

Who needs the correspondence course? "it's" = it is. "It is sound like" ??? Unless you were implying some form of possession by it of sound. I doubt it.

Sorry, poor grammar really gets to me. More than liberal propaganda. Well, maybe not as much, but close.