Shooting oneself with an air taser?

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Just bought a C2 Taser

I just ordered a C2 Taser with integrated laser sight online, to supplement my 3 million SHUs/15%OC/3%capsaicinoid content pepper spray and my handgun. I think that once I get my Taser, I'll carry all three of these for personal protection. I guess the main differences between the C2 and older X26c is that the C2 stays on for 30 seconds instead of for just a few seconds and it's more concealable/compact/doesn't look like a handgun, even if it's supposed to be just as powerful (50,000 volts and however amount of Watts). I'm getting quite excited to get it in a few days, but almost feel like I need to test it out to see if it works well on humans before relying on something like this, which I'd need to know what it's like first hand. I've tried out pepper spray directly in my face which seems to work quite well, for a half hour and beyond, but tried out those hand held stun guns that arch and I don't think that those are effective whatsoever. Because of that, I feel like I need to test my new Taser out. The only problem is I have a compressed vertebrae, whiplash from an earlier car accident, so I'm kind of worried that muscle spasms might do something to the already existing problem. Is there an alternative way to find out what a TASER is kind of like and if it would really work and is not just advertising hype? Will taping the two probes to the two ends of any one of my limbs (either a leg or arm) and then pressing the button once to allow 30 seconds of 50,000 volts give me an idea of what it feels like and what it does to your muscles? Does it kind of feel like a contact arching stun gun except with probes further apart, or not even close to how that feels?

Security personel sometimes test out different brands of pepper spray to find out for themselves, don't they? So wouldn't that be similar with various self-defense products like tasers?
 
ummmm

let me get this straight... you want to volunteer to take a taser hit....

Ok, now, didn't anyone explain the perils in volunteering?

Also, people have different responses from a taser hit....

Some die.

Wanna take a chance?
 
I believe that if you want to carry something for self-defense, you should try it out on yourself before you carry it so that you'll understand how it works from firsthand experience.
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So how many time have you shot yourself?

Sorry for the pun, but that pretty much blows holes in your statement...
 
Also, people have different responses from a taser hit....

Some die.
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So how many time have you shot yourself?
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There hasn't been a single time when anyone's died after volunteering to be Tasered. Those reports of people who died were suspects who died out in the actual field, not in a controlled environment where they had padding to fall on, etc. Taser has also never lost a lawsuit. In order to lose a lawsuit, the plaintiff (accuser) does not have to have proof beyond doubt but only preponderance of evidence, which no one has been able to do against Taser yet. Nevertheless, I wouldn't be tasered out on the streets but in a controlled situation. What I'm trying to say is if so many thousands of people have volunteered to be tasered and none of the so called deaths were from people who actually volunteered, then it probably won't do anything serious to me. Many doctors have also said that if someone dies from being electrocuted, they don't die hours later but right away. On the other hand, people being shot with a gun is a different story. I asked to be pepper sprayed and stun gunned. I found out that pepper spray is effective while the stun guns aren't. Before I put my faith into a less-than-lethal device that should be called non-lethal as long as you don't fall on anything bad, I want to try it out. My only concern is my compressed vertebrae that I already have.
 
Then go for it.

If you want to be Tasered, go for it. Find someone willing to tase you and give it a shot.

There have been several cases lately here in CO where a Taser shot killed someone. YMMV.

If there has not been a death in the "Thousands of folks" who volunteer to get Tazed, then great, go for it.

Is there an alternative way to find out what a TASER is kind of like and if it would really work and is not just advertising hype?
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Light socket and a bucket of water?

As to it's effectiveness.....you could ask an officer who has used one.
 
There hasn't been a single time when anyone's died after volunteering to be Tasered.
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When I asked you how many times you've shot yourself, I meant with your own firearm.

You DID say that you feel you should feel the consequences of your self defence weapon yourself so you have a better understanding of how it works.
 
When I asked you how many times you've shot yourself, I meant with your own firearm.
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That's why I said that those who volunteered to be tasered didn't die, while "On the other hand, people being shot with a gun is a different story." I tried both pepper spray and stun guns on myself because they're different than firearms. Police departments don't require their officers to be shot with a gun, but instead pepper spray and tasers.
 
And you don't see the circle of stupidity forming here?

What is the point of having them understand how non-lethal force feels if you don't require them to feel lethal force. It's like telling someone who doesn't brush their teeth that they should floss more.
 
There have been several cases lately here in CO where someone diedand just happened to be Taser shot too.
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There, fixed it for ya. ;)

Really, if a "Taser shot killed someone" for real, don't you think that Taser International would have LOST a suite and paid out money?

Some people die after eating, having sex, or drinking water. Did those things CAUSE the death, or was it chance and circumstances? Google "excited delirium" and see where people die without the use of ANYTHING!

As for answering GWQ's question- Yes, you can just tape the probes to parts of your body. The muscles between the two points are the only ones affected by the Taser. I'd have somebody on standby to shut off the unit at 5 seconds. Believe me, anything more feels like an eternity...

Justin
 
Is there an alternative way to find out what a TASER is kind of like and if it would really work and is not just advertising hype?
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It isn't a new gadget, I think there's plenty of documentation out there about if tasers work or not.

The taser's effectiveness seem pretty well documented and it sounds like you have some pre-existing injuries to worry about aggravating. If you can go with the documentation existing on what a gun shot is like and not feel like you have to shoot yourself I think the existing information on the taser should be sufficient too. Pepper spray, sure, you might get a whiff of if you use it and might want to be prepared for that but I'm not sure the same applies to the taser.
 
Sure have fun.
Usualy you should have no problem, however there is a benefit in having others do it to you rather than doing as the thread implies to "shoot oneself".

That benefit is if your heart stops working properly like they can on occasion from the electrical jolt then they can use a defibrilator to save your life.
If you do it yourself it probably won't cause trouble, but if it does you may die.

Tasers are less lethal force, they are not safe force. If someone zapped themselves and friends with one for fun long enough eventualy someone would die.
Someone can fall, they can fall right on thier head without thier arms or any technique to reduce the damage. That can break a neck, crack a skull or cause serious injury. They can also have complications with thier heart. A heart is stimulated and operates using electrical current.

It is a tool, and a useful less dangerous tool than some other methods. It however is still dangerous, and the more one is exposed to it the greater chance of serious injury or death.
 
Is there an alternative way to find out what a TASER is kind of like and if it would really work and is not just advertising hype?
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It isn't a new gadget, I think there's plenty of documentation out there about if tasers work or not.
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I think it's not just about finding out the effects, but knowing the effect. I started carrying OC when I was younger (like 15-16 or so - all I could carry at the time) and the day I bought it I had someone spray me with it. Not so much that I wanted to know what it would do (reading the package could tell me that) but I wanted to really know what I would be doing firsthand if I ever shot someone with it. Before I bought it and got sprayed, I had delusions of grandeur, walking around playing vigilante, spraying people for the smallest slights (hey, I was young and dumb). I'm glad I had someone spray me, because after that I realized what it was really like, and told myself I would only use it if I really had to and not on a whim. It would be the same way if I carried a TASER. Previously known conditions accounted for, and proper precautions taken, I would want to be hit with it before carrying it.
 
Zoogster said
It is a tool, and a useful less dangerous tool than some other methods. It however is still dangerous, and the more one is exposed to it the greater chance of serious injury or death.
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I was wondering what you would consider a worthwhile less lethal self-defense "tool" for a civilian to carry around along with their situational awareness tools? You said that you don't trust pepper spray that much, and sounds like you don't care for tasers? If someone wants to hit me, I don't want to go to prison for shooting someone with my handgun that I carry. From everything I've researched, prison is not at all the safest place to be. If I use my handgun in self-defense, in the long run I may have won the battle but not the war because I could easily be murdered/seriously injured if sent to prison, and so that would counter act my original goal of self-defense. I was just curious what you'd consider to be effective in less lethal situations, if I don't want to end up going to prison and putting myself into danger in the long run?
 
If you go to jail for using your handgun, it's a pretty safe bet you're going to jail if you use the taser in the same scenario.
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I guess it depends on what state you live in. The legislature of the state I live in, Utah, actually passed a law that's in the state penal code that says you can meet force with like force. Taser International was posting some studies that found a taser is less likely to cause permanent damage than a baton or tackling someone hard, which a firearm may not even be justified in those situations.

If you use a taser on someone and if it is found unjustified, since they're less likely to die, are you going to get the same punishment as someone who shoots someone with a firearm and gets a 2nd degree murder or manslaughter prison sentence? If you were to tackle someone or hit them with a baton, would you get the same punishment as 2nd degree murder or manslaughter?
 
Do it

Film it.

Have 3 friends assist you. 1 to shoot you, 2 to hold your arms when you collapse.
Standard LEO training method.
 
How much are the cartridges? Once they have been deployed to a cardboard or such target, you can use the leads as a training device later.

Justin
 
They're $25 a catridge, for each time you shoot it, which is expensive. It's $30 for a lithium power magazine, which supplies electricity for the taser for a 30 second interval which will last 50 times, so less than a dollar for the electricity each time you shoot it. I guess after shooting it, I could try taping the probes to me and then press button or whatever comes with it (I'll find out in a few days). 30 seconds seems like a long time to endure. I wonder if the law enforcement agencies look for volunteers, the police taser only lasts for 5 seconds. But then at the same time, I feel like I need the whole experience. 30 seconds while standing up and getting hit on the front side (usually volunteers on Internet videos get their back side, which looks like it'll hurt less). I guess that someone could argue that if I want the whole experience I shouldn't have padding underneath me and should stand on the pavement, but I don't want to hurt myself, as far as permanent damage goes. I don't want to get tasered to be tuff or for pain, but just because I want to know what the taser's like if I'm going to be carrying it.
 
The LE power supply (DPS) lasts up to 900 5 second bursts in actual use. Taser said they would be good to 5-600 for comparison. And you don't need the "whole experience" of 30 seconds. ;)

And you don't see the circle of stupidity forming here?

What is the point of having them understand how non-lethal force feels if you don't require them to feel lethal force.
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Just re-read this and thought to myself.. "Then why would EVERY LE agency that issues a Taser give this kind of experience in training?" Surely it isn't for practical experience and legal relief when a person sues...

Justin
 
a good friend of mine had the raptor 200K tazzer. well i was not smart one night and was playing with it while intozicated (you know how it goes in college) well i shocked my self through my jean pants on my right mid theigh.

needless to say it hurt and the next day when i woke up i noticed 2 black dots on my leg, sure enough it was burn marks even through my pants. it hurt and bad.
 
I was wondering what you would consider a worthwhile less lethal self-defense "tool" for a civilian to carry around along with their situational awareness tools? You said that you don't trust pepper spray that much, and sounds like you don't care for tasers? If someone wants to hit me, I don't want to go to prison for shooting someone with my handgun that I carry.
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I think a taser is effective for the moments it is active. However unlike a LEO you are not going to follow that up with handcuffing etc. So once it ceases to be used you got someone back to about normal. If they manage to pull out an electrode you cant give additional shocks.
In order to leave the danger you must detach the electrodes from the stun gun, you cannot simply run because you are attached to them via wires. However staying at the scene leaves you in little different situation than prior to using the taser because they will revive at almost full capacity very quickly.

So I think tasers are effective immediately, while pepper spray is less immediately, but then remains effective for quite awhile.
A combination of the two would probably be the most effective combined into the same unit.


good friend of mine had the raptor 200K tazzer. well i was not smart one night and was playing with it while intozicated (you know how it goes in college) well i shocked my self through my jean pants on my right mid theigh.

needless to say it hurt and the next day when i woke up i noticed 2 black dots on my leg, sure enough it was burn marks even through my pants. it hurt and bad.
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What are now known more as stun guns have long been called tasers, and some still call them that. There is different stun guns and different tasers. Some cause a lot of immediate pain but don't effect the nervous system a lot, and some cause severe loss of motor function for the brief time they are used.
If you are defending yourself you probably don't want to just be prodding people with very painful electrical shocks. That is all many stun guns are designed to do. You need it to involuntarily drop them. It all has to do with the circuit they use.

The better quality tasers are becoming more common, and is probably what GUY ordered.


While I think pepper spray and a taser would be great in combination, I also don't think it should require more than one hand to administer both as a civilian self defense. I would want one hand left for a firearm, or to grapple or deflect the individual, open doors, use keys etc if necessary.
A single unit that sprayed and delivered a shock while the trigger was down, and fired the prongs the first time it was pulled would be ideal in my opinion for a civilian.
The range however can be different, but unlike an officer making an arrest it really is not a big deal if you spray some extra off target or waste some electricity or spray. You shouldn't need it very often, and in my opinion it is a good sacrifice to free up a hand.
 
TASER International has never lost a wrongful death lawsuit.

I "rode the lightning" in the basic qualification before I was allowed to carry the TASER. It was not fun. The instructor says "on three, ready? one, two, pop-zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzap!"

All five seconds of 50k volts (its the amps that're dangerous) through the darts.
I survived, and learned in the process; if anyone came at me with one of those again, I'd ventilate him with .45 holes.
A nighstick will cause a longer lasting wound, like broken bones and deep bruises. The TASER really is less damaging.
We're trained to not use aerosol defense sprays with the TASER. The propellant in the spray can be flammable, and the TASER will spark occasionally is the darts don't have a good connection with the target's flesh. This happens due to thick or heavy clothing, extreme angle of impact, poor shot placement. etc.
 
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