Shooting oneself with an air taser?

[tacmedicp94]

While i have never been tazed, i have seen the effects quite a lot.
1. The tazers carried around here are not a "moa" weapon. You point them pull the trigger and the away the darts go. They sometimes impact up to 3ft. away from each other. I would use a full face shield and some kind of groin area protection.
2. The darts are actually barbs, similar to a straightened fish hook. Depending on how far they penetrate and where they can be very difficult to remove. I have had to use my multi-tool on more than one occasion to remove them. They tend to remove at least a small amnt. of skin with them.
3. Thermal burns from darts that dont penetrate the skin, while small, can be painful.
4. Watch where you land. Recently had a drunk at a bar get a piece of glass lodged in his temple when he fell on it after being tazed.
5. People do die from being tazed. It is rare and there are usually other factors such as drugs and alcohol involved, but it does happen. As some of the other posters have noted try contacting your local LEO maybe they can help you out. At least if something does go bad there will be people around who have delt with tazings before and can prob help.

 

[Roccobro]

1. The tazers carried around here are not a "moa" weapon. You point them pull the trigger and the away the darts go. They sometimes impact up to 3ft. away from each other.

The darts are designed to create a distance between them (15deg angle diff), and the farther back from the target, the wider the spread.

2. The darts are actually barbs, similar to a straightened fish hook. Depending on how far they penetrate and where they can be very difficult to remove.

Firmly press your hand around the probe so it is encircled by the thumb and forefinger, and pull quickly and forcefully straight out with the other hand. A little alcohol wipe is all that is used over the wound in training. Hardly ever any bleeding after the wipe.

Justin

 

[GuyWithQuestions]

Received it in the mail!

This taser seems like a nice toy, although the training video says it's not a toy but serious less lethal self-defense weapon. Almost all of the C2's come with an integrated laser, which I would recommend since you get one shot and you want your aim to be significantly increased. Mine came with the laser, and also the there's the tactical light that is integrated into the C2 so that you can identify your target in the dark. I want to buy a few extra catridges so I can train with some. The drive stun is cool, but only uses pain instead of the neuromuscular incapacitation that the probes will cause. If one of the probes were to miss, you can complete the circuit by drive stunning while the other probe is still in the assailant for neuromuscular incapacitation (it runs for 30 seconds and the further away the place on their body you drive stun from where the probe landed the better), although that requires getting closer. Although it can fail, this looks like a really useful less lethal self-defense weapon. Now I just need to find out if my pepper spray is non-flammable. They have warnings about using using the taser with pepper spray.

 

[GuyWithQuestions]

I guess if I do have a friend taser me, even though it runs for 30 seconds with the C2, you can manually turn it off whenever by just flipping the safety. So maybe I could just have them do it for five seconds and turn it off.

 

[Roccobro]

The drive stun is cool, but only uses pain instead of the neuromuscular incapacitation that the probes will cause.

Not true, it does the same thing, just with a smaller distance of muscle being effected. Probe them in the upper back, and drive to the foot. They get a whole body workout!

Even five second feels like forever. Once it's over, you won't regret doing it as long as you take the precautions listed in this thread.

Justin

 

[Crazy Uncle Al Gore]

I'm very interested in the results of your test.

 

[KenW.]

Current training advises that you should immediatly follow up the dart deployment with a drive stun to an area like the thigh, or calf... It increases effect.

Even greater distance between contact points.

 

[GuyWithQuestions]

In the instruction booklet that comes with it, it lists different points great for stun driving that work well if you need pain compliance. It says to avoid the groin and sides of the neck (carotid) areas unless you need to protect yourself from violent attack because it's possible to cause certain injuries if you physically press too hard (not to mention the electrical current wouldn't feel good there either)

It does say if one of the probes misses and you have to use the drive-stun to complete the neuromuscular incapacitation, the further away on the body from the probe that did actually hit, the greater the NMI. Just imagine if there's a rapist out there who grabs a woman, the woman pulls out her taser shoots him right in the groin. Then because the probes probably didn't spread far, she very forcefully drive-stuns him right in the neck (that's quite a bit of distance between pressure points) and he screams and falls down to the ground. She places the taser on the ground and runs away to get a police report so she can get the replacement from Taser International. In the mean time, the rapist is done being shocked and seeing these wires attached to him and to some type of gadget that he hasn't heard of before and thinks, "What the heck!???" He then tries to lightly pull them out of him because he doesn't want to hurt himself, but finds that they're not coming out by lightly pulling on them (I'm not sure how much force you need to pull out the barbed probes, anyone know?). Then he sees the C2 device laying on the ground and not realizing how it works and that the safety is off, he reaches to grab for it. He accidentally squeezes the deployment button and then he starts screaming again for another 30 seconds. Now that would be interesting to watch.

 

[GuyWithQuestions]

How far do the probes go in?

I was wondering how far the probes go in your body? I was just curious. Like if one hit my stomach and the upper one hit my chest, is the upper one going to chip at a rib at all or if it goes between two ribs hurt something? Will the stomach probe puncture anything other than skin and possibly a little muscle? I donate plasma sometimes and so I'm quite used to getting poked. They're just little darts with small barbs on them, right? I take it that they're sterilized.

 

[KenW.]

The barbs penetrate 1/16 inch or less. A rosebush is more dangerous than the darts alone.

 

[GuyWithQuestions]

Injury likeliness

I heard that if someone's shot with an air taser out in the actual field (not in controlled environment), they're less likely to get permanent injuries than if they're tackled, which they can still get serious injuries but less likely. Does anyone know if this is true? A year or so ago I saw this random study for that, but then it seems like there are always study anomalies, where some study out there always goes against everything else.

 

[KenW.]

If you TASE someone, the most likely injury will be from the fall. Bumped head, etc.

If you use a baton properly you WILL break bones.
Use of aerosol defense spray almost always results in cross-contamination to innocents and officers alike.
I've seen people take a shotgun bean-bag and not be phased the least bit.

Remember; when pepper spray first came out the same or similar concerns were voiced about it's use, as we're hearing about the TASER.

 

[GuyWithQuestions]

How does getting tased feel compared to using one of those hand held stun guns with the probes that stick out but that don't shoot? Is it similar to that feeling but through a much wider area, or how would be the best way to describe what it feels like?

 

[Roccobro]

The affected area goes rigid. Searing pain that instantly goes away and is no more when the unit turns off. It is an awesome feeling to have it stop so fast and be just like "normal" again in less than a second.

Oh, and the affected muscled feel like they just worked out for 30 minutes straight!

If you have any question as to how it feels (that is what this thread is all about) just do it. Then you can come here and either say "Cool. Everyone has to try THIS", or "Never, ever try this at home. I peed my pants."

Well, maybe not the pants part....

Justin

 

[GuyWithQuestions]

It says on the pamphlet that came with it that the person loses control of body function. Is that only skeletal muscles in the abdominal area (but you can still move your arms around), basically every muscle goes rigid, or does that also mean it may be good to visit the bathroom once before going into the experience?

 

[Roccobro]

Where are you going to locate the probes? That makes a big difference. the muscles between the darts are the affected ones. IF you took them in the back, then yes your arms can move. But you won't be doing any damage with them. Google Taser videos or search on Youtube. You'll see a lot of what you are thinking of doing.

I have only heard about one female local Deputy that "leaked" a little when hit. Granted she had a cesarean birth about 2 months prior so I wouldn't blame the Taser or her. Change of pants and everyone went on for the rest of the day.

Justin

 

[DomMega]

I don't know any of my law enforcement friends who haven't been tasered while in the academy. When I was testing in Arizona I was told by a deputy that you're allowed to opt out, but what would be the point? I've watched plenty of videos on tasers and how they've taken down would-be assailants. If I was still interested in being a police officer I would indeed get tased, I believe it to be a right of passage just like getting pepper sprayed, as well as knowing what your equipment is capable of doing as a LEO.

However, as a private citizen I don't think I would volunteer myself for that. It's not necessary and the police wouldn't carry them if there weren't effective tools of bringing down suspects without lethal force.

Something to think about.

 

[DomMega]

There just miniature fish hooks basically. They penetrate as stated about 1/16" but just enough to enter into muscle tissue to bring the aggressor down.

 

[Joe the Redneck]

Before you do it, please see if anyone had ever died from a heart attack or something caused by an air taser.

If you have an heart condition, I could really see a taser causing a problem like a heart attack.

Joe

 

[Roccobro]

If you have an heart condition, I could really see a taser causing a problem like a heart attack.

Couldn't be further from the truth. Please put your own fears to rest by doing a quick search. The heart has nothing to fear from the minuscule milliamps these things use.

Justin

 

[Roccobro]

double tap.

 

[DomMega]

Indeed, its not the volts that kill you when being electrocuted, its the amps.

 

[RoadkingLarry]

Shooting oneself with an air taser?

Don't you have a brother-in-law?

 

[GuyWithQuestions]

And you're sure it only goes in 1/16"?

I was wondering because I just receive a bunch of air cartridges that I bought for practice and I shot a cartridge for the first time yesterday. I bought a 4 pack ($100) and it came with a free target of a human with that metallic coating on it. I placed it on a regular interior wall and shot at it. It was quite cool to watch, for 30 seconds (C2 Taser is 30 sec not 5 or 10) it seemed like the 4th of July because sparks and cracking noises appeared all over the target and weren't just in one place. I was impressed. Then I went to pull the darts, I mean fish hooks, I mean harpoons out of the target and wall. The darts are about 1/2 inch from the tip to where that stopper thing is (approx the length of the fingernail on your thumb). The barb had all this sheet rock gob on it. I was thinking, "That would be kind of freaky if one of these things went this far into your body. This thing can go half-way through one of your hands and all of the way through one of our fingers if there wasn't bone in the way. Would this thing puncture something in your abdomen or something in your spine if in the back? Would the barb make it bad in the spine or abdomen when pulling it out. Would it go in far enough to puncture a lung? Could it chip a bone since many of them are less than 1/2 inch from the skin's surface? I donate plasma and am used to needles, but what would this be like? It kind of reminds me of that one time when someone was throwing a fork and it stuck right into my arm, but instead it would be in my stomach and chest and with barbs!" So I was just wondering how safe these darts are, provided you wear face and groin protection? I might instead just tape them to me when getting tased, but then if they're not that dangerous and don't go that far in, I might as well get the full experience so that I'll know what it's like if I ever have to use it. I mean, there's probably a reason why police officers are required to get tased and pepper sprayed in order to use them, but not shot with a firearm or hit with a baton.

 

[KenW.]

I've removed the darts from human volunteers in training. I do not understand the physics of the projectile in the X-26 cartridge or the material it may become imbedded in; I just know the dart is easily "plucked" from the skin of the target leaving only a drop or less of blood.

In training the target a person's back.