IJ1981
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Should a American Citizen, With No Legal Disqualifications, Be Able to Board a Bus,Train, Subway or Plane with a Firearm?
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According to the Constitution of the United States they should. And almost every elected official, appointed official on the federal and most state and local levels should also be impeached for violating their oath of office. You know, that part in their oath where they swear to abide support and defend the Constitution.
Miami_JBT
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"Is the Space Pope reptilian?" - Bender Bending Rodriguez
Yes, folks should be able to on public transportation without an issue. It is public property and a public service. Now, regarding private transportation, that's private property and up to the property owner.
Meaning, if American Airlines wants to prevent you from carrying on their planes or Greyhound wants to prevent you from carrying on their buses. They should be able to make that choice. It should not be the government. But publicly owned transportation like Amtrak, or the County Bus Service. You should be able to carry.
Also, it should not be limited to citizenship. We have US nationals (Americans born in America Samoa are not US citizens, but US nationals) and legal resident aliens. Both groups are able to legally purchase and carry firearms.
ozarkhillbilly
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I would say definitely yes to train, subway, bus and boat. However I do get planes are different so I am open to further discussions on that.
Necessary_Nutrient
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Republicans should campaign on allowing domestic abusers, mental patients and no-fly list quasi terrorists on planes with guns and, of course, repealing the machine gun ban at the same time. You know, freedom for gun owners trumps all other considerations in society and the rest of the Bill of Rights. I mean, like it's the 2nd amendment and, obviously, well-regulated militia includes that above.
BTW, that's exactly what these rhetorical circle- um... dead-end conversations- seem to lead to.
BTW, that's exactly what these rhetorical circle- um... dead-end conversations- seem to lead to.
Sistema1927
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We should also be able to go into state and federal buildings to include the halls of power while legally armed. It is either "We the People" or "They our rulers".
Sistema1927
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In what way are planes different? There was a time when you could board an airplane with a firearm. Don't buy into the myth that a couple of rounds through the fuselage is going to result in explosive decompression at 30,000 feet.
Necessary_Nutrient
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Sistema1927
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Tell me that you know nothing about aircraft ventilation systems without telling me that you know nothing about aircraft ventilation systems. There is much more being vented out that a couple of extra holes aren't gong to change a thing.Lol, that would sound great in a speech. You're really on point here, keep going
I get the feeling that you don't trust law abiding Americans to act like law abiding Americans.
lightman
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I voted yes but I also have reservations about planes. But I am open minded about hearing any arguments.
My thinking: If you have a problem on a bus or train you can stop almost anyplace. Not so on an airplane.
An argument in favor of: A concealed carry holder might have been able to stop the planes that hit the Trade Center.
tws3b2
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Someone who is Legally armed? Someone who has never shown any reason Why Not? Yes.
Someone who is Not Legally armed? Someone who Has shown reason why not. No.
No law can guarantee anything.
Have you ever thought about it?
In this country "and the world" when our beloved gov. say they want to get the bad guys The First thing they do is punish the good guys, the innocent. License, fees, Restrictions. Why not put all that time, money, EFFORT into getting the bad guy.
All these judges & politicians who go all out to protect the bad guy and punish the innocent should get the restrictions, ball & chain.
Look at our Border. And you worried about a legally carrying guy on a Bus????
Someone who is Not Legally armed? Someone who Has shown reason why not. No.
No law can guarantee anything.
Have you ever thought about it?
In this country "and the world" when our beloved gov. say they want to get the bad guys The First thing they do is punish the good guys, the innocent. License, fees, Restrictions. Why not put all that time, money, EFFORT into getting the bad guy.
All these judges & politicians who go all out to protect the bad guy and punish the innocent should get the restrictions, ball & chain.
Look at our Border. And you worried about a legally carrying guy on a Bus????
Miami_JBT
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He's right though.... on both counts. There used to be a time when you could carry a gun on a plane and poking a hole it is doesn't blow the thing up too. Just ask the FFDOs!Lol, that would sound great in a speech. You're really on point here, keep going
Pilot suspended after firing gun in cockpit - CNN.com
A US Airways pilot has been removed from flight duty after he accidentally discharged his handgun in the cockpit during a flight on Saturday.
edition.cnn.com
Miami_JBT
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Back in the day, you can take your gun as carry-on luggage. This was once treated no differently than bringing on a laptop or tablet these days.
Hell, airport security and screening wasn't really a thing until the 1969.
Dain Bramage
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Well, there's no "quasi" to your condescension.
AlexanderA
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I remember taking a transatlantic charter flight in the summer of 1969, and the only security was a large sign that said that guns were prohibited. I suppose that was more or less on the honor system, unless you happened to be stopped by a random check.
It took a long time before our present "security theater" got really organized.
DeepSouth
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The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Same answer.
Same answer.
If I owned an airline I would prohibit carry while in the air. The armed citizen who most likely won't be armed anyway isn't going to do much against the type of people who would be hijacking the heck out of airlines to fly them to other countries. It may be an unpopular opinion but it's mine.
Ground transportation where people jump on and off with no security then I'm all for carrying.
Ground transportation where people jump on and off with no security then I'm all for carrying.
patmccoy
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The UNARMED passengers who diverted the Sept 11th flight (63?) would disagree.
I don't know why this particular incident happened. I always thought a holster with a padlock through the trigger guard was asking for trouble.
I voted no because you included planes. Ground transportation, I agree, but a host of safety issues on planes and law abiding citizens are not necessarily smart or dependable. Look at this way. For those of you that go to ranges. How many of those folks would you feel comfortable carrying on a plane?
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Just saw a news article about a law abiding American citizen with no legal disqualifications rummaging around in her purse which resulted in a negligent discharge of her concealed carry firearm. Resulted in the death of her child.
I don’t take subways or buses. I do fly very infrequently. I’m not comfortable with guns on planes in close quarters carried by anyone who doesn’t have a police or mil background with extensive training.
I don’t take subways or buses. I do fly very infrequently. I’m not comfortable with guns on planes in close quarters carried by anyone who doesn’t have a police or mil background with extensive training.
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Rubone
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If it is a private entity they can rule as to what you may or may not do, end of story. If it is publicly funded then yes for ground, no for air. I wouldn't trust anyone on a plane to not compromise the safety of the aircraft. I don't care how well you think you would react!
Miami_JBT
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If I could carry on aircraft, I'd be carrying on aircraft right now. Heck, when I was LE, I flew armed via 24-hour NLETS notice.
Miami_JBT
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Same as I feel comfortable them carrying around me everywhere else. People carry around me all day everyday. Not an issue I worry about.
Miami_JBT
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You haven't been to a LE or Mil range I take it. Most can't qualify by shooting the side of a barn, from the inside of said barn.
Being Mil or LE doesn't mean anything.
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