Should I be a bit angry at my local gunshop?

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Joey_the_Wolf

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Normally I'm very supportive of local businesses. I'm a people person, and I like my community and tend to go out of my way to stay local and buy local. I'll buy at the local coffee and donut shops instead of starbucks. I'll buy from the local computer place instead of going into Best Buy. I used to do the same for guns, but lately I've been getting a bit frustrated. About a year ago I bought my first firearm from the local gunshop, and they charged me $550 for a Rock Island 1911 pistol (which are usually found in the $400 range). I negotiated the price down to $500, and wanting to stay local, I paid up and bought my pistol. Seeing how it's one of the best pistols I've ever owned I don't feel too ripped off, and would pay that amount again. Then I bought a Glock 23.... That was $600. A bit pricey, but hey, not too bad... Then a used older model Italian made Beretta Inox 9mm for about $620 (which I viewed as an OK deal, although the pistol itself is probably over 10 years old).

They also have a range which I used to frequent. Used to being the operative word. They raised their range fees and now only allow me to fire their own ammo, so I can't even practice with my own defensive ammo anymore, unless I buy it from them, and seeing how a 50rd box of Czech made .45ACP costs about $18, I can't really afford that anymore. A box of 9mm costs $15. For a couple bucks more I can get 100rds at wally world, and a much cleaner, better quality. (the stuff they sell is usually S&B or Wolf). So I'm not shooting at their range anymore, instead driving 45 min north to a much cheaper, bigger, cleaner range with cheaper ammo and lower gun prices...

And basically the straw that broke the camel's back is this. I'm looking for a .22 target pistol, nothing too fancy, but something fun to shoot. I go in yesterday looking for one, and they don't have any of the ones I want. Actually, they have a very limited selection of .22s, mostly limited to single action revolvers, and "Saturday night specials". I ask for something in the $300 range, and they bluntly tell me that I won't find anything for that price. I ask about the $400 range.... They show me an old, used (very much so) Browning Buckmark for about $420. I ask to see a Walther P22 and they show me one.... For $550. Guys, am I the only one that thinks this is way too much? Am I being arrogant in expecting to be able to buy a somewhat decent .22 target pistol for less than $400, especially when I can find them on gunbroker for well under that amount? I'm all for staying local, and helping my area gunshops, but I can't help but feel ripped off when I pay insane amounts of cash for things that I KNOW are available for much less. I know that I can buy hogue grips for my 1911 for around $15. They want $32 for them. I know a no name GI 1911 magazine should cost around $10, not $17, and certainly not $35 for an 8rd Novak mag. Frankly, I'd go so far as to say that the only reason they get away with this is because they are the only gun shop within 30 miles.

But yes... I think I'm going to start buying guns, ammo and accessories online from now on, but I can't help but feel like I'm turning my back on local businesses.

So I had to vent on that... Honestly though, am I being too picky or arrogant here? Are the prices really *that* unreasonable, or is this just the reality of inflation today? I dunno. What do you guys think?
 
Your local gun store sounds like it'd be better out of business.

I try to purchase local also but when local gets you a bad attitude and obnoxious prices, it's time to move on.
 
Let me guess, you live in Palm Beach County. The range/shop is probably Gator Guns.

Total rip off. I won't set foot in that place unless forced to, and try and steer everyone possible away from there.

And $600 for a G23? Talk about overpriced....
 
The Ruger 22/45 I purchased a few years back was $259 new. Prices have maybe gone up 40-50 bucks. These clowns need ran outta town.

There's got to be other shops in your area. Check around.
 
Those prices are way too much. Oleg said it perfect. Don't be angry, just take your business elsewhere. If they are going to turn their back on you by trying to rip you off, don't feel bad by turning your back on them.
 
Tell them exactly what you told us, that you WANT to support them but they are making it impossible.
 
Based on my area pricing, you overpaid on every purchase. I'm so thankful you didn't purchase the P22 for that price. I saw one with a suppressor listed for $470 today.

I understand your predicament. It's a shame when you want to support a business but they make it so difficult.

Take your business elsewhere.
 
Actually xm15, I live in St. Lucie county, and the guys here are Self Defense Inc. That palm beach place sounds pretty bad too... Maybe it's a regional thing, I dunno. The other place I've been going to is in Vero Beach, and they are actually pretty good when it comes to prices, so I'll probably be doing business with them, as it is worth the drive, and I'm usually around that area anyways.

Oh, and NOOk, I thought about doing that, but then I thought why bother, since I probably wouldn't be taken too seriously, and given the usual "what does this kid know/who does he think he is?" by them or the guys who usually hang around there (I'm only 21, so alot of times I'm not taken very seriously by people at gun shops/ranges due to my age).

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I know what you mean tydephan, i was browsing a few listings and the average price for a P22 seems to be in the $300 range.
 
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I try to buy local as well, but I won't pay for the overhead of a grossly inefficient store or over charging, which ever the case may be.

Find somewhere else local or buy online. There is no shame in buying online for something not available locally. I am actually amazed at what you have put up with so far. I won’t pay more than about $30 to shop at the local store I go to. They match prices but with some grumbling.

As far as buying your ammo at the range, I would rather the range simply charge a lane fee appropriate to their cost of doing business. I won’t play the “buy your ammo here game” as I shoot what works for me, not what is convenient for them to carry.

It is my experiance that a few dealers don't want the business of the educated shooter. They are looking for people who don't know better, and people like you just make them mad. So I would not bother to tell them that you are not patronizing their business any more.
 
Last time something like that happened my friend bought the guns he wanted to get from other places, then went to the overpriced store and asked for every single gun he bought and said everytime something like "I can get that from blah blah for cheaper". Finally the salesman told him to just go and buy somewhere else, to which he replied "I already did".
 
You've been ripped off, everything you cited was quite overpriced. For the difference, you can pay for the extra gas to go up the road quite a ways to find better deals. good luck.
 
Tell them that you would like to support them and keep them in business but you will not pay their price. Fair market value is just what it is. You are not doing them nor anyone else a favor by paying those inflated prices. Tell them that their business is by the customer's word of mouth. They will get the point. Vote with your feet and your dollars.
I have been a mechanic and an automotive technician since 1981 and there are certain automotive companies and businesses I will not buy from, quality and service are the two main reasons why I don't.
 
It's nice to support local businesses but not if it leaves you feeling like you got ripped off whenever you purchase there. I'm willing to pay a little more than online price +shipping +transfer from a local business (as long as they have a good attitude and service) but by little I mean no more than $40 or $50.
Tell them you'd like to buy from them (if it's true) but their prices are out of line with market value. Either they'll come around or they'll go out of business. They can't expect to make a 50% profit margin on everything, even if they are the only gun shop in town.
 
what about the gun range that you go to, how are their prices? I'd take my business there and let the old place know why.
 
Around here-

NIB Glocks 469-489 at shows

Bought a mint used Ruger MK2 Stainless Competition Model in box with everything from factory for $250

Bought a NIB Walther P22 for $250

You are getting hosed. Move on.
 
Turning your back?

. . . I can't help but feel like I'm turning my back on local businesses.
Actually, no.

They've turned their back on you.

If you continue to shop there, you're exhibiting "battered shooter" syndrome.

I can buy a Rock Island 1911 locally for $300 used, $370 new or, if I go to the hardware store, $420 new. One shop is in Reno (Sparks) and the other is in Carson City.

If you're paying more than $450, I believe that's too much.

Got anyone near you who does transfers for cheap?

If so, then I know a good shop in Draper, Utah that will be happy to serve you.

And, judging by some of the responses in my So You Own A Gun Store thread, there are others who would be just tickled to have your business.

It's sad that a store owner feels he has to overcharge to stay in business.

In my own experience, stores that respond well to the budget needs of their customers do more business.
 
If you like being used like a $2, er, Lady of the Night, keep on buying from them. Otherwise, join the crowd and buy from whoever's cheapest -- which usually means either Wal Mart or an on-line retailer.
 
But I can't help but feel like I'm turning my back on local businesses.

They are not being nice--and their prices sound crazy. The 'only my ammo on my range' is also for the birds (factory ammo or other restrictions, OK, that might be resonable).

Find another store that wants you there.
 
Some people are only happy when they are miserable. If you're one of those people then keep doing what you're doing. If you're not then take the high road and tell them why you're leaving and move on. If you're not comfortable doing it in person write them a letter.
 
I've griped about this before. Many gunshops are not wrapping their mind around the idea of THE_INTERNET. Not only can you buy guns elsewhere, you can also find out, almost effortlessly, whether or not a price is good. Once the current generation of computer-unsavvy buyers fades away, the "good ole boy" shops with their $600 Glocks will be in for a rude shock. They're already complaining about it, but they're treating it like a passing phase. Sorry guys- it's gonna get worse for you.

I understand buying local. I understand that a brick and mortar gunshop has overhead that a internet shop does not. But they offer a convenience that the internet shop cannot. You can see your gun. You can have it that day (in most places). Will some people suck up 20 minutes of sales time, and then go order it online for $50 less? Sure. Some will. But most won't. So, there's no need to charge 20% above MSRP...markups are a diminishing-returns proposition. The more you do it, the more customers you lose.

Also, gunshops have a secret power that just sucks customers off of the street and into their store, and compels the poor guys to cough up $20 (or more!) just for the opportunity...it's called the "FFL". Sure, you're not getting whatever the dealer portion of a firearms sale is, but you are getting a nice chunk of change to process one form and make a phone call, without the risk or financial outlay of stocking inventory. And, you have the opportunity to make convenience sales to the person paying you $20 for two minutes of work... "Do you need ammo for that? How about a holster? We're running a sale on magazines, too..."

A local, overpriced gunshop (one that caters to the Orvis crowd) charged, IIRC, seventy-five dollars for a transfer, and was thinking of hiking it again due to everyone buying stuff online instead of from their stock (which gives you an idea of how overpriced their in-stock items were, when a $75 transfer seems reasonable). Their logic was that whether you bought stuff from them or if you bought stuff online and had it shipped to them, you would pay for it, one way or the other.

I chose Option C. I don't shop there.

Mike
 
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