Should Illegal Immigrants Be allowed RKBA?

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"Mohammed Bin-Al Qaeda."

Well, if this is his actual name, I try very hard to avoid stereotyping him and I treat him like I would treat anyone else.

If this is an ethnic slur, I tell whatever dumbass who said it to get the hell out of my store.

Then I explain to my customer that while I mean no disrespect, I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, and I'm afraid I'll have to refuse him service because what he's told me makes me very uncomfortable, and I'm not willing to sell him a weapon.
 
What if Mohammed bin al-Qaeda is my brother, or babysits my kids.

In the pantheon of crimes, being an illegal is about the same as getting a speeding ticket. Instead of paying a fine, and suffering through increase insurance, you are told to leave, maybe.

Should people that break the speed limit be allowed to have guns? They are obviously criminals!
 
Well heck. I'm coming over to your house for dinner, whether you invite me or not. If the door is closed/locked I'm coming in the window. By the way I'm bringing a gun, drugs, and my 30 relatives.

2A, right to assemble, pursuit of happiness and all that.

:rolleyes:
 
illegal immigrants have no rights in my book. they are tresspassing. would you allow a burgler to keep his gun when he breaks into your home?
 
Proof that a convenient stereotype and an exaggerated situation will blow reality out of the water every time.

Bottom line is, they're not coming into your home. Its not your property. This is all of our homes, it belongs to us, and until we find it necessary to shoot people on sight for not having their papers in order (just borrowing from your playbook) we're going to have to deal with it. Yeah, maybe it sucks, maybe its not right, but thats all really too bad, because it is, whether you want it to be or not.

And since it is, whether its the way you prefer it or not, I think its prudent to apply the same rules one should always apply. Human life has value and is worth protecting, even if those humans aren't our favorite humans right then. The fact that they've immigrated illegally doesn't make them subhuman and it doesn't mean they should simply have to suffer the wrath of anyone who wants a piece of them or their family, just because we didn't like them very much.
 
Correia said:
How about this.

Do away with the Brady law. Do away with NICS. Do away with the 4473 form. Make guns a normal, non-controlled product, like they used to be, and should still be.

Then it is a moot point.

The only reason that this is even under discussion is that every single one of us has to fill out that stupid form and call in a background check whenver we buy a gun. We all complain about it every time.

Make it go away, and everybody is happy.
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What makes you think the people arguing against illegal immigrants owning guns want to get rid of Brady, NICS, or 4473s? Why, you practically need them if you want to keep those undesirables from buying guns.
 
Hate to break it to you, Tex. They can already buy guns. They're criminals, remeber? Nor do they have to fill out forms, get background checks, licenses, etc. the way the honest folk do.
 
It depends. RKBA is a human right in my opinion, just like the freedom to go where you please. When you break the law, you generally give up certain rights, like your freedom of movement (prison) and RKBA (felons not allowed guns). Now , illegal immigrants are felons in that they'be commited a crime, but I wouldn't deny someone RKBA just because they jumped a red light once when late for work, or because they stole some groceries when they were 15. So it depends I guess. If they're respectable people who are law abiding (not counting the illegal immigration) then yes, I'd not withhold them that right. But if the person in question was suspected of gang activity or beat up a security guard to get into the conutry or something, then no.
 
No. Show respect for US Sovereignty and law and then go from there. Voting is also constitutional right should we let anyone who can sneak in vote and/or run for office? What a ridiculous concept.
 
already illegal

It is already unlawful for an illegal alien to buy a firearm from a licensed dealer.

My answer is NO. They should be allowed NOTHING but a one way ticket (on a tightly packed bus) to the border. Then a swift boot in the backside once they arrive.
 
When you break the law, you generally give up certain rights, like your freedom of movement (prison) and RKBA
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Yet no one thinks it breaking a law to cross a border illegally, then why in the hell even have a border?

The simple facts are:
1) There illegal, so they shouldn’t be able to get a gun (like go to the store and buy one)
2) if they do get a gun THEY BROKE THE LAW AS WELL AS SOMEONE ELSE
3) If they bought the gun with them THEY BROKE A BIGGER LAW


For all those that think they should, you have you right to think that they would be able to RKBA, BUT HOW MANY OF YALL ARE WILLING TO PUT ACTION BEHIND YOUR WORDS AND SELL AN ILLEGAL A GUN?
 
Don't need to. Last time I checked, pretty much anybody in this country who wanted to have a gun in violation of the law, did so.

Whoa, what a concept. I think we might even be able to use this when we argue with antis about how ineffective gun laws are...
 
No, dont dance around the question, its a simple question "if you believe illegals should be able to RKBA" then would do actally do something to ensure that they would, like give/ sell them a gun?
 
How would you know if he/she was illegal? The scarlet "I?"

Last time I was at a gun show they weren't asking for birth certificates, only dollars.
 
Roadwild17 said:
No, dont dance around the question, its a simple question "if you believe illegals should be able to RKBA" then would do actally do something to ensure that they would, like give/ sell them a gun?
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Don't ask. Don't tell.
 
Roadwild, that isn't a simple question. That is a stupid question. So next time we argue on this board about legalizing drugs, I'm assuming that the pro-legalization forces need to brew up some meth and pass it around?
 
Oleg Volk is right!

The idea that a felon(even a violent felon) should not be allowed to buy a gun is silly. They can just get a gun anyway if they want to commit a crime and if they dont want to commit a crime then they are pissed off and perhaps unsafe.
 
Illegal Immigrants:

We here in Texas have another name for them, but I'll be nice and not mention it.
I'm thinking, they use the Black Market to obtain ID, Drivers license, S.S.cards. Why would they even bother trying to legally buy firearms, when they can get anything they want out of someone's car or van? I agree.
Why are we even bothering about this question?::banghead:
 
Just as I can demand that any guest in my house - invited or not - be unarmed, we as a nation should be able to demand that a guest be unarmed.

Biker
 
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