Lone_Gunman
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BenW,
Your post didnt answer the question, though, did it?
Your post didnt answer the question, though, did it?
If illegal immigration is so bad, then why doesnt anyone want to stop it?
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MEChA
FYI - Interesting article on Cruz Bustamante and his previous affiliation with a group called MEChA. Any wonder why this group is pro-immigration (legal or not) from Mexico?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95871,00.html
FYI - Interesting article on Cruz Bustamante and his previous affiliation with a group called MEChA. Any wonder why this group is pro-immigration (legal or not) from Mexico?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95871,00.html
Dilettante
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Supply and demand, guys. It's that simple.
We have lots of schlep jobs to do. They have lots of people who can support two generations of their family by doing those schlep jobs.
Huge parts of California's economy depend on work done by people who you've never seen before and don't speak much English. Who wants to look into their documents? In a little while they'll be working for somebody else anyway.
Of course a lot of people are making money off of them. In fact, sometimes you can pay them less because they're illegal.
I would guess that your instincts are in the right direction.
We have lots of schlep jobs to do. They have lots of people who can support two generations of their family by doing those schlep jobs.
Huge parts of California's economy depend on work done by people who you've never seen before and don't speak much English. Who wants to look into their documents? In a little while they'll be working for somebody else anyway.
Of course a lot of people are making money off of them. In fact, sometimes you can pay them less because they're illegal.
I would guess that your instincts are in the right direction.
Chris Rhines
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rj -
Wrong on both counts.
I do indeed have a conception of national sovereignty; I just don't much care about it. National sovereignty certainly takes second place to individual liberty.
As for property rights, go back and read my second post to this thread. The part about tresspassing. Read it carefully. I'll be waiting for your formal retraction.
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Wrong on both counts.
I do indeed have a conception of national sovereignty; I just don't much care about it. National sovereignty certainly takes second place to individual liberty.
As for property rights, go back and read my second post to this thread. The part about tresspassing. Read it carefully. I'll be waiting for your formal retraction.
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Ed Brunner
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It is all political smoke and mirrors and it is going exactly the the way our government wants it to go. Hispanics are the majority of the future and no one wants to offend them. Almost every politician wants their votes.
As Posted by Glock Glockler:
Amen. In Texas, an illegal can go to our colleges and get in-state tuition. He can also get non-emergency medical care (California too?) - with taxpayers' money.
This is a mainly a federal (State Department) issue, as Mexico and its brass absolutely stick their noses up at our sovereignty and borders!!!!! As I recall, protecting the integrity of our borders is a basic Constititutional mandate of the feds.
The Democrats and Republicans don't have the guts to do the right and prudent thing and close our borders and throw illegal invaders in jail. Look at the percentage of inmates that are Mexican "transplants" -- I forget the number, but as I recall, it was sobering.
Stop motor voter laws -- there are way too many illegals voting ! Guess who they vote for? You guessed it -- Democrats.
People: quit hiring f-----g illegals !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Amen. In Texas, an illegal can go to our colleges and get in-state tuition. He can also get non-emergency medical care (California too?) - with taxpayers' money.
This is a mainly a federal (State Department) issue, as Mexico and its brass absolutely stick their noses up at our sovereignty and borders!!!!! As I recall, protecting the integrity of our borders is a basic Constititutional mandate of the feds.
The Democrats and Republicans don't have the guts to do the right and prudent thing and close our borders and throw illegal invaders in jail. Look at the percentage of inmates that are Mexican "transplants" -- I forget the number, but as I recall, it was sobering.
Stop motor voter laws -- there are way too many illegals voting ! Guess who they vote for? You guessed it -- Democrats.
People: quit hiring f-----g illegals !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Marko Kloos
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Once again, I keep hearing how we need to "close our borders", but I never hear how this task is supposed to be accomplished. How does one hermetically seal thousands of miles of mostly desert land border, and a few thousand more miles of coastline?
Who said anything about a hermetically seal? Even a 25% decrease in accessibility is better tha nthe status quo.
Also, don't forget, "borders" are not only physical ones, but also include borders in the figurative sense -- borders that face travellers, students, mutants, terrorists, whoever.
Matthew Courtney
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The way to eliminate illegal immigration is to eliminate all forms of social welfare. No more cash, food stamps, healthcare, education, or graduated income tax.
That reduces it by half. We eliminate the other half by legalizing and taxing it. The biggest crime illegals commit is not paying taxes.
That reduces it by half. We eliminate the other half by legalizing and taxing it. The biggest crime illegals commit is not paying taxes.
longeyes
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Aztlan
It's good to know that Mexicans have a name for the chunk of
the USA they plan on "taking back." I think we need to have a
poll here at THR to come up with a name for the big chunk of
Mexico WE are going to take back if El Presidente Coca-Cola (aka Fox)
and his gang of 47 Families doesn't back the **** off. Yeah, strange
but true, "invasions" don't always happen only one-way. You heard
it here first. There will be Administrations after this one, and
even Hillary's, that might well be less amicable toward the Great
Inevitability of the Latino Voting Bloc. If the people I hear and see
get any more vexed you can take that one to the bank.
There are no ways to "hermetically" shut down the border? Oh, I think
there are, but we just haven't gotten angry enough. Besides, it's
not a defensive game we're playing here. If we really want to stop
this, we need to go beyond the good ideas propounded here (ending
the welfare state, eliminating public bennies for illegals, penalizing
employers, etc.) and take the pain across the border to the Mexican
government and its cronies. For some reason this is never talked
about, which is funny when you consider that it wouldn't be the first
time the U.S. Marines have "visited" Mexico with trouble in mind.
It's good to know that Mexicans have a name for the chunk of
the USA they plan on "taking back." I think we need to have a
poll here at THR to come up with a name for the big chunk of
Mexico WE are going to take back if El Presidente Coca-Cola (aka Fox)
and his gang of 47 Families doesn't back the **** off. Yeah, strange
but true, "invasions" don't always happen only one-way. You heard
it here first. There will be Administrations after this one, and
even Hillary's, that might well be less amicable toward the Great
Inevitability of the Latino Voting Bloc. If the people I hear and see
get any more vexed you can take that one to the bank.
There are no ways to "hermetically" shut down the border? Oh, I think
there are, but we just haven't gotten angry enough. Besides, it's
not a defensive game we're playing here. If we really want to stop
this, we need to go beyond the good ideas propounded here (ending
the welfare state, eliminating public bennies for illegals, penalizing
employers, etc.) and take the pain across the border to the Mexican
government and its cronies. For some reason this is never talked
about, which is funny when you consider that it wouldn't be the first
time the U.S. Marines have "visited" Mexico with trouble in mind.
Orthonym
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I thought we solved this problem back in 1848(?)
When we won the Mexican War we could have annexed all of Mexico had we really wanted to do so. Jeff Davis, I believe it was, pointed out that we would be better off just grabbing the parts of Mexico with hardly any Mexicans in them, which was what we did. The Mexicans weren't willing to live in such places until lately, after they'd been developed by Gringos.
When we won the Mexican War we could have annexed all of Mexico had we really wanted to do so. Jeff Davis, I believe it was, pointed out that we would be better off just grabbing the parts of Mexico with hardly any Mexicans in them, which was what we did. The Mexicans weren't willing to live in such places until lately, after they'd been developed by Gringos.
AZTOY
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Marines upgrading road, fence near Naco AZ
Tucson, Arizona Thursday, 28 August 2003
By Ignacio Ibarra
ARIZONA DAILY STAR
NACO - A Marine engineering company is on a month-long mission to improve the road and expand fencing along the border near Naco AZ.
The military unit, the 374th Marine Wing Support Squad-ron based in Twentynine Palms, Calif., started this week to upgrade a little more than one mile of dirt road that runs adjacent and parallel to the border fence east of the port of entry.
Construction will focus on several low-water crossings that turn to slippery muck in the rainy season, making it difficult for Border Patrol vehicles to get to and through the area, said Armando Carrasco, a spokesman for the Defense Department's Joint Task Force Six headquartered at Fort Bliss, near El Paso.
The Marines also will build a bollard-style fence that will be 12 feet tall and stretch for nearly half a mile. It will be made of steel posts placed about 8 inches apart in a zig-zag pattern that allows water to pass while stopping people and vehicles, he said.
Several sections of the existing dirt road will be paved in concrete, including one stretch that is more than 800 yards long.
The Marines have set up a camp at Bisbee Municipal Airport on Bisbee Junction Road, and are expected to remain in the area for up to a month working under the auspices of the task force, which since 1989 has coordinated military training missions to support state, local and federal law enforcement agencies involved in drug enforcement.
The cost of the project is difficult to determine because the cost of labor and equipment is absorbed by the training mission. The cost of materials is covered by the requesting agency, he said.
* Contact reporter Ignacio Ibarra at 806-7746 or at [email protected].
http://www.azstarnet.com/star/today/30828BORDER.MARINES.html
Tucson, Arizona Thursday, 28 August 2003
By Ignacio Ibarra
ARIZONA DAILY STAR
NACO - A Marine engineering company is on a month-long mission to improve the road and expand fencing along the border near Naco AZ.
The military unit, the 374th Marine Wing Support Squad-ron based in Twentynine Palms, Calif., started this week to upgrade a little more than one mile of dirt road that runs adjacent and parallel to the border fence east of the port of entry.
Construction will focus on several low-water crossings that turn to slippery muck in the rainy season, making it difficult for Border Patrol vehicles to get to and through the area, said Armando Carrasco, a spokesman for the Defense Department's Joint Task Force Six headquartered at Fort Bliss, near El Paso.
The Marines also will build a bollard-style fence that will be 12 feet tall and stretch for nearly half a mile. It will be made of steel posts placed about 8 inches apart in a zig-zag pattern that allows water to pass while stopping people and vehicles, he said.
Several sections of the existing dirt road will be paved in concrete, including one stretch that is more than 800 yards long.
The Marines have set up a camp at Bisbee Municipal Airport on Bisbee Junction Road, and are expected to remain in the area for up to a month working under the auspices of the task force, which since 1989 has coordinated military training missions to support state, local and federal law enforcement agencies involved in drug enforcement.
The cost of the project is difficult to determine because the cost of labor and equipment is absorbed by the training mission. The cost of materials is covered by the requesting agency, he said.
* Contact reporter Ignacio Ibarra at 806-7746 or at [email protected].
http://www.azstarnet.com/star/today/30828BORDER.MARINES.html
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seeker_two
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Marines aren't trained to build paths for the illegals to follow. They're trained to kill people & break things....
While they're on the border, let's let them do just that...
PDshooter
Member
You know when the "SHOOTING STARTS"
there'll stop coming!
Shoot,Shovel,Shut-up!
there'll stop coming!
Shoot,Shovel,Shut-up!
Marko Kloos
Moderator Emeritus
If your "solution" to the illegal immigration problem is limited to "shoot the wetbacks", and this solution is put forward as a serious alternative by multiple posters, it's time to turn off the lights on this one.
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