Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Should off duty cops be subject to the same gun laws as the rest of us?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Owen Sparks, Oct 9, 2007.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Owen Sparks

    Owen Sparks member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2007
    Messages:
    4,524
    After what happened in Wisconsin there is sure to be talk of stoping off duty police from from going about armed. Any thoughts on this?

    OS
     
  2. Heavy Metal Hero

    Heavy Metal Hero Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2006
    Messages:
    791
    Location:
    Florida
    Define the rest of us? Law abiding citizens? Felons? Anyone in general?
     
  3. ClickClickD'oh

    ClickClickD'oh Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2007
    Messages:
    2,227
    Location:
    Lewisville, Tx
    No, we shouldn't keep officers from carrying out of uniform.

    And we shouldn't be stopping the general populace from going about armed either.
     
  4. Geno
    • Contributing Member

    Geno Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2005
    Messages:
    15,278
    They're "off-duty" aren't they?! I have said since forever, every human being needs a break for both physical and emotional rest. To carry other than duty, all people should be held to the identical standards. That is a rather egalitarian view, is it not?!
     
  5. Reyn

    Reyn Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2005
    Messages:
    484
    Location:
    AL
    Are people in Wisconsin not allowed to carry? I dont think they should be unarmed because of this incidence any more than guns should be banned because of Columbine or the VT shooting.
     
  6. ilbob

    ilbob Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2006
    Messages:
    12,477
    Location:
    Illinois
    why would this even be up for debate?

    it is like asking "Should off duty cops be subject to the same tax laws as the rest of us"?
     
  7. ozwyn

    ozwyn Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2006
    Messages:
    714
    Location:
    Maryland
    Off duty police should be subject to the same gun laws, and those laws should allow concealed carry in all 50 states.

    the problem isn't that law enforcement has extra carry rights, it is that the carry rights of the masses has been infringed to give the illusiion of extra rights for LE. well, that's my twisted POV.
     
  8. LAR-15

    LAR-15 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    3,385
    What is the point of this question?

    Should cops hand in their guns once their shift is over?
     
  9. Ala Dan

    Ala Dan Member in memoriam

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    12,879
    Location:
    Home Of The First Capitol Of The Confederate State
    NO

    In respect, full time sworn police officers are NEVER off duty; as they are
    subject to call 24/7. And, perhaps even while not on the offical government
    clock so to speak; they may witness a FELONY going down in their presence,
    and most [if not all] would respond if innocent lives were at risk~! :)

    The Wisconsin shootings were a random act, with the shooter acting out
    cuz of girlfriend problems. A reasonable person, LEO or not is simply going
    to put those kind's of things behind them and move on with their lives;
    most seeking a new partner for a relationship. I think the percentage of
    PO's acting out with rage would be more like .01 of 1%. ;)
     
  10. Tin Gizel

    Tin Gizel Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2007
    Messages:
    212
    Exactly, if I can't do it, neither should an off duty cop. Truth is, there's a lot they can do off duty that I can't. The problem isn't the cop, it's the laws against us.
     
  11. Rumble

    Rumble Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2005
    Messages:
    831
    Location:
    Indiana, PA
    As far as I know, you cannot carry concealed in Wisconsin.
     
  12. Reyn

    Reyn Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2005
    Messages:
    484
    Location:
    AL
    Open or none at all?
     
  13. the naked prophet

    the naked prophet Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2006
    Messages:
    1,237
    Location:
    MO
    I seem to recall that there is a law against both concealed and open carry, though when he vetoed the concealed carry permit law, the governor said "if you want to carry a pistol, carry it openly on your hip." I don't suppose the police would take it well if you said "the governor said it's okay."

    As to the original question, nobody should have more rights than anybody else - occupation makes no difference. I think there should be a constitutional amendment to this effect, though writing it concisely would be very difficult. Nobody gets special treatment. If a cop wants to carry a gun off-duty (he/she'd be crazy not to - see the attempted assassination of the off-duty corrections officer) then that cop should be subject to the exact same restrictions as everyone else. My life is no less valuable than his, and I have no less moral compulsion to protect innocents.
     
  14. jerkface11

    jerkface11 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2005
    Messages:
    5,499
    Location:
    Arkansas
    The police should be subject to the same laws as the citizens on duty or not.
     
  15. KelTecian

    KelTecian Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2007
    Messages:
    128
    Location:
    Kansas City, MO
    the term "Off Duty" doesnt mean they are no longer police officers. Most police officers are commissioned, They are police officers 24 hours a day and must act and respond that way. They are not considered "civilians" and therefore must abide by the laws and policies set forth by the fed, sate, and local governments regarding police men and women.
     
  16. bsf

    bsf Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2003
    Messages:
    465
    Location:
    MI
    I think the Wisconsin crazy cop incident has absolutely no bearing on whether “cops be subject to the same gun laws as the rest of us”. I think good people should be allowed effective defense of themselves and those they deem worthy of protection, regardless of their occupation. The only valid reason I see for restricting LE carry off-duty is a political maneuver to tie the recognition of their rights to those of non-LE.
     
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2007
  17. ronwill

    ronwill Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2007
    Messages:
    303
    Location:
    Georgia
    Being an "off-duty" police officer is very similar to being "off-duty" military. Although your not working you are subject to recalls. Remember that the nationwide law enforcement carry law is only for certified officers. Not all are certified in the required fashion.
     
  18. benEzra

    benEzra Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    8,584
    Location:
    Down East in NC
    Had this guy not been "allowed" to carry off duty (assuming someone who'd break a law against mass murder would be stopped by a law making it "more illegal" to do so), what's to stop him from doing the same thing while on duty instead?

    Added on edit--he wasn't carrying at the time. He left the apartment to get guns from his car (patrol car?), then came back and shot everyone. It was premeditated.
     
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2007
  19. Rumble

    Rumble Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2005
    Messages:
    831
    Location:
    Indiana, PA
    Okay, there is no concealed carry in WI (per www.handgunlaws.us), and open carry is legal, but not in a vehicle (that's per www.opencarry.org).

    As for the point of the thread - I believe cops and non-cops should have the same firearm carry rights, but I don't want to impose restrictions to make a point. Instead, what should happen is non-LEO should have, as a matter of course, the same ability to carry firearms wherever and whenever that LEOs have.
     
  20. cpileri

    cpileri Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,425
    hmmm

    I know that "off-duty" Military Officers are subject to their local laws regarding CCW's.

    Maybe the question should be rephrased to:

    Should "off-duty" officers be afforded exemptions from local restrictions on carrying firearms that would otherwise apply to the citizenry?

    C-
     
  21. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2003
    Messages:
    18,302
    Location:
    Ft. Worth
    I guess the question is, do their arrest powers cease when they are off duty?

    If so then yes I would want them subject to the same weapon restrictions as the "rest of us".

    If you intend for a peace officers arrest powers to continue when off duty, and the states code REQUIRES action of said peace officer if they witness a crime etc (which many do) then you can hardly disarm him when off duty since there really is no such thing as "off duty".

    This a pointless backwards argument. The argument should be that we all can carry 24/7 not that we should restrict those that already can. How does that help our cause?
     
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2007
  22. ilbob

    ilbob Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2006
    Messages:
    12,477
    Location:
    Illinois
    do they get paid for 24 hours of work every day, 7 days a week?

    what about when they are in vacation in another state?
     
  23. Yosemite**Sam

    Yosemite**Sam Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2006
    Messages:
    156
    There are thousands of cops who carry off duty every day. Off duty cops throughout the nation come to the aid of private citizens every day. Many must use their firearms to aid those private citizens. Look back at the mall shooting in Minnesota.

    If you were to disarm all cops off duty throughout you would see two things happen. First a large number would continue to carry anyways and second those who didn't carry would refuse to get involved in off duty incidents.

    I believe like the state of Texas everyone should have the right to carry.
     
  24. dasmi

    dasmi Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2005
    Messages:
    2,781
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Yes, 100% yes. If we can't carry, then they shouldn't be able to either.
     
  25. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2003
    Messages:
    18,302
    Location:
    Ft. Worth
    Certainly not but many states have a "duty to act" provision in LEOs certification. You can't disarm someone that you have REQUIRED to act 24/7 that's my point. If you want to disarm them when off duty you have to remove their "duty to act" and then you have a whole other can of issues to deal with .

    It's not a simple yes/no question.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page