SHTF, Carrying Your Ammo

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Kind of Blued -


That gave me my first real laugh in several months.

Thank you!

That being said, I'll give you a paradigm

And a consternation.

Paradigm:

"I'd rather bug in than bug out."

Consternation:

"It is better to be outside the palisades

Looking in, than

Inside the palisades looking out."


Thoughts?

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Distributing ammo is not a bad idea. If you have all your ammo in one container, and anything happens to that container, then you've got problems.
Hso also makes an extremely valuable point. There's way more to seeing your way through hard times than shooting. (Yes, I know this is a gun board.) Using our friend the search function, there are 1st hand accounts from members who have been through hurricanes, riots, and all sorts of bad stuff. I don't remember running short of ammo being a concern for any of them becuase there was no great amount of shooting.
 
Tornado's of 2008.

I was living in an area that had multiple tornadoes, when they came through, and this happened multiple times.

Included was fire due to lightening hitting trees, and flooding. Serious Situations.

1. Setting was small towns with multiple tornadoes. I took the back way to arrive, as the freeway was a parking lot, of strewn vehicles.
Parking lots had vehicles , that resembled wadded up paper, tossed into the corner.
I arrived with a CCW, and two mags. The gun was never needed, I used the hell out of a Case Peanut, for first aid, cutting seat belts, making siphon hose from garden hose, so chain saws and generators could be gassed up, from gas we siphoned from wrecked cars.

More than once I had to take off in a dead run, and get into a ditch or somewhere safe, as more tornadoes were coming in on us.
Tip: Don't dive into the ditch near a glass front structure, that building when it implodes, tosses glass every damn where. I was covered in glass, and I was lucky, I did not get cut, much less shred.


2. Rural setting.
This time the tornadoes took out supplies, stored in multiple locations. This included food, water, generators, first aid, cash money, guns, knives, chain saws, generators, gas, clothing , shoes, you name it.

Concerns also included looters coming down, as history had proven they will do, to steal , whatever they could steal.
Some have very good ploys.

Some come down to steal credit cards, and personal checks. Small, portable items, easy to conceal , and leave with. Some folks arrive with the pretense to offer assistance, when actually they are looking amongst debris, for credit card , personal checks, and others items to steal a ID (SSNs, Birth Certs, etc.).

Others will come down to steal equipment, from lawnmowers, riding lawnmowers, tractors, four wheelers, trailers, tools and whatever else one can think of, being used on ranch/farm settings.

My role, was running the property and roaming security. I had a older 4 wheel drive truck.
We blocked roads leading into , and off of main roads. Still fences go down, and looters will go around gates, if the gate is even still up, or serviceable.

I know this game, all too well, as I grew up doing this.
I had two CCWs, one IWB, and one I kept in my coat pocket. I don't carry a wallet ( don't often carry one anyone if I can help it) with DL/Concealed Weapons Permits in my front jeans pocket.
I had spare mags in my pockets.

Long gun was a Model 94, in 30-30. I had two, of the red Federal ctg holders, as the ammo comes in, that fit on a belt.
I could not find my LLBean leather ctg holder, so I used these.

In the truck, was more of these red factory ctg holders with 170 gr 30-30 loads, this gun likes 170 grainers.
Extra mags for CCWs were in the truck. I keep it simple, some were on the dash, some on the little shelf down where the steering column meets dash, some in the pocket of the seat covers, that have a long pocket that runs the length of the bench seat,and one on each end, as one enters drivers, or passenger door.

In the truck was semi auto .22 pistol, with spare mags.
Also a youth single shot , 20 ga shotgun, with a elastic butt cuff, filled with slugs. I keep the shotgun broke open with a slug in the chamber.

So on person I also had spare mag for pistol, and 10 more slugs for the 20 ga.
Truck tool box had more ammo...it keeps a hodgepodge of whatever in it anyway.

This was not my first rodeo with serious, and serious being tornadoes.
Over five decades ago I learned about having guns and ammo, and other things "handy" - period.
Serious is no exception.
Barns, sheds, and other structures have guns and ammo hidden. I checked on these, as I had been responsible for the guns being chosen, and where placed.
This comes from the days of Chain Gangs, and escaped inmates from Correction Facilities in the area.
One might get surprised, even outnumbered and guns, ammo taken off you, or vehicle. You might get "ushered" into a pole barn, tool shed, barn, or some other structure.
Have a practiced plan and back up practiced plans.

We did lose one hidden handgun, and it was discovered some weeks later, some 200 yards down in a field.
Just laying there, and I had to know, so I tripped trigger and it worked.
Rain, cold, ice, elements, and the darn gun worked, I mean it cycled its total mag, and went to slide lock.


Guns and ammo are fine and dandy, but communications, cash money ( as ATMs don't work when there is no power), gas, matches, Zippo lighters ( wicks, flints, fuel) flashlights, batteries ( the more Maglites the better, with 3 D cell , and two AA Mini Mags preferred), lanterns, lantern fuel, Coleman stoves, Kerosene lanterns using lamp oil ( one can safely use these indoors with lamp oil), first aid...etc., are very important considerations for having spares and back up as well.

Did I mention more than one gun safe was totally useless?
One safe we found about 1000 yards down past a field, in some timber. It had been bolted in.
Some others were under water, when the rising water hit.
Many others, you could not access, as the structure was all down around and on it.

One is never guaranteed they will be home when serious strikes, or be able to get home to get to the safe, or other gear set back for serious.

A lot of damn good a AR, tricked out, with loaded 30 rd mags, Surefires and expensive tactical knives are, when you cannot get to structure, and when you do, either the safe is gone, under water, or has been blown down off to somewhere else.

Just thoughts, having life experiences with all this, and I am over age 50.
 
I'm convinced that if the "SHTF", half of the people on this website will throw a bunch of guns in their car, speed out of the neighborhood, then realize they'd better get back home ASAP.

+1 Also they become a portable supply depot to the thugs.
 
I ain't buggin' nowhere. Got no place to go other than home, and IMO, in a true SHTF situation, vehicles will be pretty useless anyway. Whatcha gonna do when they run out of gas? Think there's gonna be gas stations open? Think they'll take your now useless currency?
 
I have a variety of ammo (except 12 ga) in it's orig boxes, in 30cal ammo cans. Each can contains a nice assortment of 9mm, 22mag, 45 Colt and .410 buckshot, which covers all my handguns and 3 out of 5 rifles. No matter which can I am able to grab, I'll have what I need.

The 12ga I have on a bandoleers.
 
Does anyone recall what radiation affects to ammuntion made today? Would the Speer gold dot handgun's silver outer shell provide defense against radiation fallout?

It is getting easier to bunker in place if necessary. But sometimes due to other targets or nearby issues, we cannot stay. For example, we have a major railroad a few miles away. If they get hit in the Chlorine Gas Tank cars or something, the whole valley will be dead or dying before they get out of bed.

If Nuclear One gets hit, prevailing winds will drop fallout starting in a few hours. We cannot stay as house does not protect against it.

We once watched Three Mile Island for a few days. If it went up, the entire Northeast will be uninhabitable for 10,000 years. As I understand it, the containment is still working on that reactor to this day up there.
 
Whatcha gonna do when they run out of gas? Think there's gonna be gas stations open? Think they'll take your now useless currency?

This is why I hold about 15 gallons of gas to take with us if needed. Currency in paper always has been useless since the gold standard ended. I invest in tangable metals, including silver which I figure could be used if needed.

Does anyone recall what radiation affects

I'd be interested in effect on ammo. I also purchased Patassium Iodite as it protects your thyroid in a radiation emergency.


Also I agree that home is the best place to hole up. If we need to leave we'll leave, but I'm much more prepared in my home than in my car.
 
We have a pump with which to transfer fuel as needed from cans or other vehicle.

Im more worried getting shot and robbed while filling gas tank when gas reaches 9.00 a gallon. It will take about... 23 dollars a gallon to stop us from going anywhere with the cars.

In the meantime Im slowly adding a can here and there trying to store a month's worth in gallons.
 
While the up-armored wheelbarrow sounds pretty good I think the OP would be better served with a tactical hand truck. :D

HSO and others hit it on the head: Carry a few extra mags plus a box or two and bury the rest someplace you can find it... in the dark. In virtually any survival scenario water will be 1000 times more useful than ammo.
 
I ain't buggin' nowhere. Got no place to go other than home, and IMO, in a true SHTF situation, vehicles will be pretty useless anyway. Whatcha gonna do when they run out of gas? Think there's gonna be gas stations open? Think they'll take your now useless currency?

Also, the EMP blast from a nuclear explosion would render most modern automobiles inoperable anyways.
 
lol... there have been SHTF situations a few times a year for longer than I've been alive and only two of them would've raised any concern about EMP blasts. Think real-world.
 
Two loaded 30-round mags plus another 150 .22 Stingers in the RH side pouch. Food for 3-5 days, water purification, alcohol stove, alcohol, first aid, tarps, para-cord, fishing line, knife, saw, tomahawk, hooks, wire for snares, needle/thread, candle, butane lighters, magnesium/steel match, wool socks, gloves, cap, and above all, toilet paper and sani-wipes and an insulated butt bag. When I bug out for fun, I carry my air rifle and 500 rounds of pellets. With either choice, I can grab a holstered .22LR pistol or pellet pistol in addition to or instead of the long gun. My wife, of course thinks I am old and crazy. She is right.
 

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Without going into the list of everything in my Bug out bag, I certainly agree that there are other supplies that top guns in certain situations. At most I need a pistol, a rifle, and about 100 rounds of ammo for each. More, if I have enough time to load up a vehicle and head out. After that, the remaining room is for water, food, or such equipment to help find/catch/clean/get it.

That's only in a desperate circumstance though. I live fairly remote, so bugging in is a much better option.
 
Kind of Blued and Ohio Gun Guy have a point, which I agree with. Before you leave home, the situation has to threaten the home itself in a way you can't reasonably hope to defend against; mostly natural disasters. If a natural disaster happens, you should stay near your home, if you can, and help rebuild.
Also, if you must leave, you should have someplace specific to go to, and it should be a place that you are well assured will not be affected by whatever it is you're having to get away from.
 
Am I the only one who would prefer to stay put, unless something was forcing me to evacuate?
No, you are not the only one. ;)


I'm convinced that if the "SHTF", half of the people on this website will throw a bunch of guns in their car, speed out of the neighborhood, then realize they'd better get back home ASAP.
Only to discover that their home had been emptied while their SHTF bug-out-mobile was stuck in grid-locked traffic......
and Goldi-looter was sleeping in their bed...."it's JUST RIGHT".... :rolleyes:
 
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