rbernie
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Not a Para folder.
Not any more. I've been shopping for more FAL metric mags for a month now, and the cheapest in-stock price is thirteen bucks each.
Siaga 308 (Converted) or PTR 91 or DSA FAL
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The FAL is the better gun, but you're going to pay quite a bit for that quality. If you've got the cash though that's what I'd get. The Saiga is a good gun for the money, but it's not quite on the same level as a DSA. Saiga vs. Century FAL? I'd go for the Saiga. Saiga vs. DSA? DSA.
Click Click Boom
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I have noticed that this is a very Pro FAL site.
As per the priced quoted by my dealer a weak ago yes, yes I can. Admittedly he has much better prices than most places. I also bought another saiga 12 for sub $500 only a couple of weeks ago and I got ten round APG mags for $36 too.
I don't know what model the FAL he had in was I called and he said $1600. You might well be right that it is not a para folder, I don't know.
Click Click Boom
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What is common accuracy for a Siaga, DSA FAL & PTR 91?
I take it the Siaga is the most reliable followed by the FAL then the PTR 91?
I take it the Siaga is the most reliable followed by the FAL then the PTR 91?
Click Click Boom
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I cant seem to find anyone selling the Saiga 20 or 25 rounds Mags. FBMG web site doesnt list them at all. Surefire?
wacki
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Have you ever heard of Old Dirty?
I know the AK's have legendary reliability but I'd love to see a .308 Saiga take as much abuse as the Old Dirty and still shoot well.
For me it's the FAL. period.
In combat or peacetime I'd probably die before I could wear out an Old Dirty. So it's kind of ridiculous to turn one down simply because of reliability issues.
chris in va
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I'm sorry, but my friend has a FAL and that thing is HEAVY. No way I'd want to cart that pig around anywhere. I'm assuming the Saiga is lighter and would consider that one first.
Master Blaster
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Will the FAL anfd the PTR91 fire any hunting ammo? Can you run 165 or 180 grain bullets in your PTR91, or your FAL and have the gas system work reliably, or will that off the shelf hunting ammo damage the FAL and the PTR??
The availibility of 147-150gr military surplus ammo is something to be considered. There isnt much availible any more.
The Saiga will run with any ammo including the walmart hunting ammo.
The availibility of 147-150gr military surplus ammo is something to be considered. There isnt much availible any more.
The Saiga will run with any ammo including the walmart hunting ammo.
rbernie
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Hmm. You might PM Correria and ask him what's up with that. You can get the Surefires:
http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_35&products_id=243
nalioth
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FBMG is having trouble getting mag parts out of Russia, I hear.Click Click Boom said:
Surefire mags are your only no-mods option for the Saiga at this time (until FBMG gets it's domestic parts production running).
Actually, the FAL may be better equipped to run on any kind of ammo than any of the others. If you're beating the snot out of your FAL with your ammo all you really have to do is open the gas up a little more.
But I do tend to stick with ammo at 165 grain or under.
I can't speak for Saigas so this may not be relevant, but aren't there some reports of the PSL's in 7.62x54 not standing up very well to use with heavy ball ammo?
Roger that.
I wouldn't want to use a DSA FAL for my truck gun.
Or even a $500 rifle.
I'd probably get the FAL/PTR/Saiga to add to the collection and a lever action 30-30 or Mosin.
nalioth
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Not related.goon said:
The Saiga can eat whatever you want to feed it w/o any problems.
jpwilly
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Don't forget if you reload the Siaga is going to tear up the brass and a fluted chamber will ruin them too. 308's are expencive to feed!
nalioth
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To clear this up, the Saiga does not have a fluted chamber. It dents up brass during the ejection, but this can be minimized or negated by using a rubber cover on the edge of your ejection port.jpwilly said:
The Cetme/G3/HK91 rifles have a fluted chamber, but this does nothing to the brass as far as reloading is concerned (the flutes just leave little carbon stripes on the brass). These rifles will dent the brass during ejection (port buffers are available for them to negate this).
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I think the Saiga is a good rifle, but the FAL is the better one.
1. Reliability: It's a wash. The AK's reliability is legendary, but the FAL's is not far behind. Add in the fact that the AK's legendary durability is based upon experiences with the weapon in 7.62x39, and this is a rifle in a completely different caliber, with different specs and different forces...eh, I'm not sure the comparison is valid.
2. Sights. It's a rare situation where you can say that the FAL iron sight system is superior, but this is one of those times.
3. Optics. FAL + DSA mount = rock solid optics platform. Saigas suffer from the issues present in all AKs with mounting optics. They're able to be overcome, but not as readily as the FAL.
4. Parts availability: If something in the FAL breaks, you can get spare part very easily, from a number of sources. If something in the Saiga breaks, how common are spares?
5. DSA has a lifetime warranty. Saiga does not.
6. Ergonomics. Entirely subjective, but I like the FAL's better.
7. Accuracy. Probably a wash, but the DSA can be plenty accurate. Not sure about the Saiga. I imagine that individual differences between rifles would be larger than the differences between designs, but that's a guess.
Mike
I think the Saiga is a good rifle, but the FAL is the better one.
1. Reliability: It's a wash. The AK's reliability is legendary, but the FAL's is not far behind. Add in the fact that the AK's legendary durability is based upon experiences with the weapon in 7.62x39, and this is a rifle in a completely different caliber, with different specs and different forces...eh, I'm not sure the comparison is valid.
2. Sights. It's a rare situation where you can say that the FAL iron sight system is superior, but this is one of those times.
3. Optics. FAL + DSA mount = rock solid optics platform. Saigas suffer from the issues present in all AKs with mounting optics. They're able to be overcome, but not as readily as the FAL.
4. Parts availability: If something in the FAL breaks, you can get spare part very easily, from a number of sources. If something in the Saiga breaks, how common are spares?
5. DSA has a lifetime warranty. Saiga does not.
6. Ergonomics. Entirely subjective, but I like the FAL's better.
7. Accuracy. Probably a wash, but the DSA can be plenty accurate. Not sure about the Saiga. I imagine that individual differences between rifles would be larger than the differences between designs, but that's a guess.
Mike
Click Click Boom
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The Israelis didnt think the FAL was as reliable as the AK Action.
stubbicatt
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This sort of thread is become quite prevalent here at THR.
Assuming that yourself, like most people who buy a rifle like this, will have a trigger job performed, and some other modifications, I recommend the PTR91.
Everything is a trade off, but for ease of optics mounting, ready availability of spare parts, inexpensive magazines, ease of cleaning, accuracy, accessories, etc., it is a hard rifle to beat.
The sights are better than either of the other choices by a long shot.
In the end what is it fits you best? Which "speaks" to you?
Assuming that yourself, like most people who buy a rifle like this, will have a trigger job performed, and some other modifications, I recommend the PTR91.
Everything is a trade off, but for ease of optics mounting, ready availability of spare parts, inexpensive magazines, ease of cleaning, accuracy, accessories, etc., it is a hard rifle to beat.
The sights are better than either of the other choices by a long shot.
In the end what is it fits you best? Which "speaks" to you?
And what fits the budget...
I'd love to be able to afford to use a DSA FAL for my truck gun but for my situation, they're just too valuable for that.
I suppose if the rifle is going to see a really hard life of bouncing around behind the seat of a truck and getting the general hell beat completely out of it, the Saiga may be the more practical choice - especially if it's left unconverted (AKA as cheap as you can get it).
I'd love to be able to afford to use a DSA FAL for my truck gun but for my situation, they're just too valuable for that.
I suppose if the rifle is going to see a really hard life of bouncing around behind the seat of a truck and getting the general hell beat completely out of it, the Saiga may be the more practical choice - especially if it's left unconverted (AKA as cheap as you can get it).
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