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Discussion in 'Legal' started by jollypanda, Dec 10, 2008.

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  1. jollypanda

    jollypanda Member

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    My friend is considering purchasing a silencer for his pistol, but I told him that he probably needs a special permit - is this true? We live in Florida. Is there a Florida requirement or a national requirement, or both?

    Thanks :)
     
  2. husbandofaromanian

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    I'm suprised I'm the first one to answer this. You will have to find a class III dealer in your state. He will step you through the process. When all is said and done the FBI will have conducted a background check on you in every state. You will have a $200 tax stamp that you must never lose.
    I own two silencers.
     
  3. jollypanda

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    Sweet!

    Thanks husbandofaromanian.

    I have never seen a real silencer, but I hear (no pun intended) that the sound produced is nothing like in the movies - you just hear the action of the gun itself. Is this true??


    Speaking of movies, here is a trivia question to all who read this:

    Where did the sound effect for movie silencers come from? :banghead:

    It seems that of all the movies I have seen with silencers, they all make the same sound.
     
  4. a-sheepdog

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    The silencers that you see in the movie are not very realistic. Depending on the suppressor and the caliber, the suppression can vary greatly. Integrally suppressed firearms are generally quieter than thread on cans. As an example of a thread on can, a SWR Spectre with subsonic 22 ammo is pretty quiet on a pistol and sounds more like a quiet pellet gun. A 9mm can with subsonic ammo is a little louder but still considerably quieter than unsupressed. The biggest plus with suppressors is hearing protection. This is what I have learned through my limited experience. Its best to shoot some different suppressed firearms and base your decisions on that. I am very happy with my suppressors.
     
  5. Tyris

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    Most of my silencers sound like a blast from a high pressure air hose for a few tenths of a second. Rifle caliber silencers will also have the supersonic crack in addition to the above noise.

    -T
     
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    oops. double.
     
  7. jollypanda

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    Accuracy

    Thanks A-Sheepdog.

    One other lingering question I have - do silencers affect the accuracy of your weapon, and if so, by how much?

    My friend wants to buy a silencer for use against squirrels in his yard; he is a good shot, but I don't know how effective he will be with a silencer. Maybe he should invest in a powerful pellet gun . . . :rolleyes:
     
  8. Jamyatunes

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    It depends on the silencer, but it is quite common for the silencer to make the firearm more accurate.

    Some of the hot gasses escaping the muzzle of a standard firearm will actually travel faster than the bullet, and as a result can cause the bullet to wobble initially until it has had some distance to "sleep" or stabilize in it's final trajectory (this problem is caused by an uneven crown). Silencers reduce or eliminate this problem by giving the hot gasses somewhere to go other than forward. Crown repair will also reduce or eliminate the problem, but then you still have a loud gun.
     
  9. Hanafuda

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    While we're on the subject, I'll ask a couple questions too ...

    do suppressors have a limited useful lifespan (i.e. # of rds.) or internal parts that wear out over time (baffling)?

    Do suppressors get fouled/dirty with carbon, etc from escaping gasses, and if so how frequently is cleaning and/or maintenance required?

    What's the price range for the typical threaded suppressor, in .22lr, and in centerfire calibers?

    If a suppressor for a .22lr pistol is likely to last my lifetime no matter how many rounds I put through it, then I guess I oughta give it some thought.
     
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    do suppressors have a limited useful lifespan (i.e. # of rds.) or internal parts that wear out over time (baffling)? not usually

    Do suppressors get fouled/dirty with carbon, etc from escaping gasses, and if so how frequently is cleaning and/or maintenance required? yep, they get very dirty and make the gun a lot dirtier

    What's the price range for the typical threaded suppressor, in .22lr, and in centerfire calibers? ranges from $200-1800. avg for centerfire is probably $800
     
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    Go to silencertest.com and spend an afternoon reading...
    p
     
  12. Geno

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    Sheesh! We can't have silencers in Michigan. We're too irresponsible.

    Doc2005
     
  13. PTK

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    If you'd like to know what silencers REALLY sound like, check out my movies.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/elitearbor


    As for useful life, most silencers are good for thousands and thousands of rounds, some are rated for over 50k rounds, and a few for more than that!

    As for cleaning them, most silencers require little to no maintenance, except for .22lr silencers; these have lead build up in them due to the .22lr bullet being unjacketed.

    Inexpensive .22lr silencers start at $90-200, and go on up to $400-$800. The decent starter silencers for .22lr are $250-$350. Centerfire, it depends - pistol or rifle? I have a pistol silencer that was $400 (9mm) and a rifle silencer that was $550 (5.56), but also a pistol silencer that was $750 (.45acp) and a rifle silencer that was $800 (30-06). Prices depend on construction, reduction in sound, etc.


    Regarding permits - no. It's a one-time tax stamp for possession of the item, each item is $200 (silencers, MGs, sawed offs) or $5 ("Any Other Weapon" like cane guns). The 1934NFA is easy to obey and just requires a bit of patience while you wait for the tax stamp.
     
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    Youtube Movies

    Nice!! Very cool to see real silencers in action - and I like your hat :)
     
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    paul wrote:
    dead? wrong url?
     
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    jollypanda

    My mom made me this hat. It's very cunning. :D
     
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    Double post.
     
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    Silencers are a LOT OF FUN when your not even using them. Just telling people in casual conversation that you own a silencer will liven up the conversation very quickly.

    Showing up to the range & screwing your silencer onto the end of your barrel will draw a crowd in a heartbeat. You won't get to shoot much due to answering a lot of questions.

    DRAWBACKS OF OWNING A SILENCER.
    During a conversation your having about your silencer, someone looks at you with no smile on their face and calls you an assasin. It puts a chill down my spine when people do that. If they're smiling it doesn't bother me and gives me an opportunity to explain that I can take my children target shooting without worrying about destroying their hearing.
     
  20. kurtmax

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    You can also make a silencer without going to a dealer. Just get a tax stamp from the atf to make it (Form 1 iirc).
     
  21. 1858rem

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    a big soda bottle works pretty good for my 22 mag rifle when crow huntin' lol
     
  22. jollypanda

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    LOL!

    How about pillows - do they silence the report? I've seen those used in movies - maybe to keep blood from splatting in your face...
     
  23. crushbup

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    The effect a pillow will have would be absolutely negligible (and also a felony).
     
  24. 1858rem

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    how is shooting through a pillow a felony....unless someone is under it? i tried using a big wad of cloth i had for my shooting rest, absolutly sucked not to mention i couldnt see where i was shootin.....33oz bottles work ok an sound like a 22 short.... improve accuracy by cutting a hole in the bottom first, the gas mostly needs to slowly dissapate and this helps. now not all the crows fly off after the first shot lol
     
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