Single action revolver in .45LC

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I'm interested in purchasing a SA Revolver in .45 Colt. I've never owned one and would appreciate your advice and recommendations.

45 Colt only
adjustable rear sight
quality at a reasonable price
5.5" or less barrel
ability to handle warm, not hot, loads

Thanks in advance.
 
Adjustable sights are a good idea on a using gun but limits your options to.
Ruger Blackhawk, two frame sizes. (21,000 and 32,000psi)
Ruger Bisley Super Blackhawk .454 (50,000psi)
Colt New Frontier. (21,000psi)
BFR. (50,000psi)
Freedom Arms 97 and 83. (32,000 and 65,000psi respectively)
US Arms - Seville, El Dorado, Abilene. (32,000psi)
 
Ruger Blackhawk because you mentioned adjustable sights. See the one in my Avatar. This was my first as well. Mine is the Bisley but you wouldn't necessarily need a Bisley. Your choice.

-Jeff
 
Of the revolvers that CraigC listed the Ruger is the most affordable.
The BFR and Ruger 454 are in the $1000 range and the Colt assuming you want the real deal (no adj sight) and Freedom Arms are in the $2 k and up. If you go for the Freedom Arms for the money it's the Rolls Royce of SA revolvers.
 
I prefer the Bisley grip and wish my .45 Colt Vaquero had one. Personally, I'm not a big fan of adjustable sights on a SA revolver, particularly the Ruger's... they are too big and look kind of hunky up there, but I understand their usefulness, of course. I'm OK with the smaller sights, like on my Bisley (shown) and my NMBH .44 Flattop.

Profile of grip frame... Bisley on top, standard on the bottom...

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My fairly large hand on the Bisley... I can get my pinky on it...

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...and on my Blackhawk... no room for pinky.

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Howdy

A Ruger Blackhawk is probably your best bet. I bought this 45 Colt/45 ACP convertible back in 1975 when I was just a pup. You can still buy it chambered for 45 Colt with a 4 5/8' barrel or a 5 1/2" barrel, and you can also buy one with an extra 45 ACP cylinder.

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P.S. Regarding pinkys on revolver grips: I learned a long time ago not to try and cram my entire hand onto the grip of a single action revolver. This is guaranteed to place the knuckle of the middle finger against the trigger guard, which is guaranteed to whack the knuckle in recoil. Curling my pinky under the grip opens up about 1/4" of space between my knuckle and the trigger guard, eliminating 'knuckle whack'.
 
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The bang-for-the-buck champs are the Ruger and the BFR. The BFR gives you a lot more flexibility as they can be loaded to obscene levels for just a little more money that the Ruger offerings. There are a lot of FA83s in .454 on the used market as well. The strength champ however is the BFR.
 
this is my single action 45 long colt:

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it is a ruger blackhawk with a 4.625" barrel. it was bought new in 2000 and has between 1000 and 2000 rounds through it. on the left is a lukewarm 255 grain load, on the right is a warmer 325 grain load (hence the hogue grips). keep the frame screws tight and it is utterly reliable. weighs 37 ounces empty and carries well on the hip.

luck,

murf
 
I agree with the Bisley. I had a pair of Ruger Vaquero's in SS. Had no use for adjustable sights.
 
Adjustable sights are a good idea on a using gun but limits your options to.
Ruger Blackhawk, two frame sizes. (21,000 and 32,000psi)
Ruger Bisley Super Blackhawk .454 (50,000psi)
Colt New Frontier. (21,000psi)
BFR. (50,000psi)
Freedom Arms 97 and 83. (32,000 and 65,000psi respectively)
US Arms - Seville, El Dorado, Abilene. (32,000psi)
Thanks for sharing your post,it's helpful to me.:thumbup::thumbup:
 
If I drop the requirement for adjustable rear sights, what do you recommend other than the Ruger Vaquero?
 
$330 ruger blackhawk 45lc with pachmayr grips, gently used through gb.com. im not a reloader so i wish i had spent $250 more for a 45lc/acp two cylinder convertible.

45lc out of a bond arms derringer is alot of fun in a small package, used ones are good values as they are usually fondled more that shot. “4” caliber b.a. are best with extended rubber grips.
 
Howdy

I don't know why you are turning down the Ruger Vaquero, they are excellent guns. I have several.

The Blackhawks with their adjustable sights are also excellent guns. The frames are larger than the original Colt Single Action Army frame was, so that means the cylinders are about 10% larger than a Colt cylinder. And that translates to more metal surrounding the chambers, which translates to a stronger gun, capable of withstanding more powerful ammunition than the SAAMI Max 14,000 psi Colt loads.

And all modern Ruger single action revolvers contain a transfer bar, which makes them completely safe to carry fully loaded with six rounds. If you drop it on the hammer with a live round under the hammer, nothing is going to happen, other than scratching up the gun.

Originally the Vaquero was built on the same size frame as the Blackhawks, and they were also big, capable of the more powerful 'Ruger Only' loads. About ten years or so, Ruger redesigned the Vaquero, calling it the New Vaquero, and built it on a smaller frame, the same basic size as a Colt SAA. The cylinder was about the same size as a Colt cylinder, which meant there was less steel surrounding the chambers, so only SAAMI Max ammunition is recommended for them. You will here otherwise, but that's what you will here from me.

The saying goes with Rugers that they are 'built like tanks'. The internal mechanism is completely different than a Colt, but more importantly the parts have heavier cross sections, so it is very unusual for a part to fail. Also, from the very beginning all Ruger revolvers have featured coil springs instead of flat leaf springs, and coil springs very seldom break. The same cannot be said for the springs in a Colt or colt replica.

Here are most of my Ruger 'New Model' single action revolvers (with the transfer bar). On the left is my old Blackhawk, then three 'original model' Vaqueros, then a couple of New Vaqueros. The first four are all 45 Colt, the New Vaqueros are 357 Mag. They are all strong, serviceable revolvers.

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At the top of this photo is a New Vaquero chambered for 45 Colt, and at the bottom is a Colt Single Action Army, also chambered for 45 Colt. They are just about identical in size.

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If you want to get away from Rugers, and want a fixed sight single action revolver you really only have two choices, Uberti and Pietta, both made in Italy. Do not be confused by the plethora of importers, such as Taylors, Cimarron, and a few others who import these guns. There are many importers, but pretty much they all import revolvers made by those two companies. And despite what some will tell you, they all come off the same assembly lines and they are all of the same quality.

For a long time, Uberti revolvers were superior to Piettas in fit and finish, but Pietta has done a lot of catching up recently, and now they are just about equal. Both of these guns employ the same traditional style lockwork of the Colt SAA, so broken springs sometimes do happen. Not all the time, but they do happen on occasion. Recently Uberti has replaced the flat leaf type spring for the hand with a coil spring, so that is one less spring to break, But trigger/bolt springs do still break fairly commonly. Not a big deal, they are easy to replace, and there are after market music wire springs available.

As with the Colt, these guns are only safe to carry with an empty chamber under the hammer, just in case you drop it on the hammer.

Here is an Uberti Cattleman imported by Cimarron that I bought a number of years ago.

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The one thing you should be aware of is Uberti recently introduced a new style hammer with a firing pin that retracts into the hammer. This is so the gun can be safely carried fully loaded. This model is so new on the market there has not been much feedback from shooters yet. A lot of guys do not like it because it is not the traditional style hammer, and it has introduced a few new parts that have increased the complexity of the gun. But so far the model is too new to have much user feedback. Uberti has stated that eventually they will no longer produce the model with the firing pin in the hammer, and eventually the retractable firing pin model is all that they will produced. Time will tell.



One more thing. Remember I said that Rugers have more metal surrounding the chambers? Here are three cylinders chambered for 45 Colt. On the left is an Uberti Cattleman cylinder, in the middle is a Ruger 'original model' Vaquero cylinder, and on the right is a Colt Single Action army cylinder. Notice how much thicker the chamber walls are on the Ruger? That is why they are stronger.

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On the left in this photo is the New Vaquero cylinder and on the right is a Colt SAA cylinder. Both are chambered for 45 Colt. There is a tiny bit more steel surrounding the chambers of the Ruger, but not much. Nothing like the more massive cylinders of the Blackhawk or 'original model' Vaqueros.

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What it really boils down to is do you want the old traditional colt type lockwork, that is only safe to load with five rounds, or do you want the modernized Ruger lockwork with the transfer bar that makes it safe to load six.

If you want an adjustable sight, you can get the bigger and stronger Blackhawk, if you want traditional fixed sights you can get the New Vaquero with modern lockwork and transfer bar, or an Uberti or Pietta that should only be loaded with five rounds. It's really that simple.

Oh, yeah, a lot of guys will tell you how you only get four clicks with the original colt style lockwork, but the only time you can hear all four clicks is when you are playing with the gun while watching Westerns on TV. I shoot Colts all the time, and with hearing protection on I never hear the clicks when I cock the hammers.
 
Driftwood

Another excellent tutorial on single action revolvers. Great photos like yours really help to get your information across too.
 
Driftwood,

Thanks for the informative post. Good stuff.

I'm not scratching the Vaquero. Just want more info on other manufactures.

One I read about is the Taylor, made by Uberti. But the model I am interested in is the Taylor Deluxe which is supposed to be 'customized' with a better hammer, trigger, etc.. Since I have arthritis in my shooting hand thumb, a hammer that's easier to cock would be beneficial. Maybe like a Bisley model?
 
Water-man,
The "customizing" in the "Deluxe" lines is usually the installation of after-market wire springs. You can take a "run of the mill" Cattleman (the standard Uberti 1873 copy) and make it into the most insane S.A. revolver you've ever handled in your life. With coil spring conversions, the reliability/longevity jumps to the Ruger timeline and with certain "installs" actually makes for a more accurate /stronger action!. How about a 3 lb. hammer draw to go along with a 2 1/2- 3 lb. trigger pull? The Ultimate "sleeper" S.A. !!

Mike
 
Yes sir, me too. Smoke Wagons, El Patrons, et al. . . they are mostly "tuned" by the installation of after market springs. Don't get me wrong, the grips are nice but I don't like the wire springs. Coil/Torsion springs give a more reliable and constant tension without the "stacking" effect of the flats. They allow the "snappy" feel of the flats but are much more precise and highly adjustable. The wires feel somewhat mushy and they can and do break. Coils and torsions on the other hand do their work over a much greater range and have the material to stay constant in that range. The result is a fabulously accurate/consistent action that won't change over time.
I was just throwing it out that it's possible to take a "plain Jane" (sorry Jane!) and turn it into something that can run rings around the factory offerings, on a lighter budget. Of course, the factory "race guns" can be fixed as well, it's just a little higher starting point . . .

Mike
 
Driftwood,

Thanks for the informative post. Good stuff.

I'm not scratching the Vaquero. Just want more info on other manufactures.

One I read about is the Taylor, made by Uberti. But the model I am interested in is the Taylor Deluxe which is supposed to be 'customized' with a better hammer, trigger, etc.. Since I have arthritis in my shooting hand thumb, a hammer that's easier to cock would be beneficial. Maybe like a Bisley model?
Look at the Ruger Montado for that style hammer in a New Vaquero platform. It is for CAS duelists and gunslingers that shoot with one hand.
 
The Montado was developed for mounted shooting.

I don't know anybody who uses one in regular CAS matches.
Which makes it designed for shooting with one hand. The SASS model, sold in serial number pairs, would have been a better model to mention. That seems to be the only one other than Bisleys with a smaller or lower hammer spur, easier to thumb, while having a more favored barrel length, 4 5/8 versus 3 3/4.
 
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