ragtop
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give me your opinion xds3.3, S&M shield, or Ruger lc9pro, going to purchase one of them.
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Plan2Live
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I like the grip safety on the XDs, the overall feel of the Shield and I'm told the LC9 Pro has a great trigger.
Have you fired all three? Have you looked into holster options for all three? Have you evaluated the ability to manipulate all of them one handed including one handed reloads and belt racking?
Have you fired all three? Have you looked into holster options for all three? Have you evaluated the ability to manipulate all of them one handed including one handed reloads and belt racking?
maxxhavoc
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I have an XDs .45, and a LC9S. They both have their merits.
If you definitely want a 9mm, get the Ruger. The trigger is very good for a subcompact, and it shoots very well.
The XDs was designed as a .45, and retrofitted to 9mm. The barrel OD is the same for both, so the .45 has better weight and balance in my opinion.
Where my preferences differ from yours is that I prefer the following in my carry guns:
-.45 caliber
-A safety
So my regular carry is the XDs .45. If Springfield comes out with a safety-equipped version I will switch to it. I am growing to love the LC9 and may switch to it.
I tried the Shield before I bought the LC9. The trigger was not as good, and the safety was horrible. It was very easy to "miss" when moving the little nub to "fire." LC9 has a nice, easy positive safety - much closer to the 1911 system. The trigger and accuracy were also better for me on the LC9.
Since you do not want a safety, and want the 9mm, I would recommend the LC9 pro hands down.
If you definitely want a 9mm, get the Ruger. The trigger is very good for a subcompact, and it shoots very well.
The XDs was designed as a .45, and retrofitted to 9mm. The barrel OD is the same for both, so the .45 has better weight and balance in my opinion.
Where my preferences differ from yours is that I prefer the following in my carry guns:
-.45 caliber
-A safety
So my regular carry is the XDs .45. If Springfield comes out with a safety-equipped version I will switch to it. I am growing to love the LC9 and may switch to it.
I tried the Shield before I bought the LC9. The trigger was not as good, and the safety was horrible. It was very easy to "miss" when moving the little nub to "fire." LC9 has a nice, easy positive safety - much closer to the 1911 system. The trigger and accuracy were also better for me on the LC9.
Since you do not want a safety, and want the 9mm, I would recommend the LC9 pro hands down.
guyfromohio
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I'm pretty sure this is where we offer up suggestions not requested in the OP. So here it goes....Walther PPS.
ragtop
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my son owns the xds3.3 very nice to shot , i have held the others only.
ragtop
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I have considered the pm9, very nice ,very expensive
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M&P Shield no thumb safety .....
I've owned a NIB Smith & Wesson Shield no thumb safety 9x19mm since 12/2014. I've no major problems or complaints with it. The M&P Shield 9mm has fed & cycled factory rounds with 0 issues.
I'm left handed and plan to trade the Shield no thumb safety pistol in for a new Glock 43 9mm later this year.
The Shield mag release can't switch,
. It also has a annoying point where the loaded magazine can't be properly seated. You must have both sides of the M&P Shield clear for the pistol magazine to fit without any bulge or sticking, .
It's a minor issue but for a deep concealment/carry gun, I don't want to be picky or screw around with defense mag changes,
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The Shield has a stainless upper and a lifetime factory service plan.
I've heard S&W finally started to install improved triggers on all the M&P pistols. This might help with the Shield too. Note: some Shields are designed with different parts/engineering for CA & MA customers.
Check the gun's box or SKU # to make sure you buy a regular M&P Shield.
A big + for Shields is they are very popular with US cops & gun owners so there are holsters, gear, add ons.
If the Glock 43 9x19mm wasn't released I'd keep my Shield 9mm but I have no need for 2 carry/CCW sub compact 9mm pistols.
I've owned a NIB Smith & Wesson Shield no thumb safety 9x19mm since 12/2014. I've no major problems or complaints with it. The M&P Shield 9mm has fed & cycled factory rounds with 0 issues.
I'm left handed and plan to trade the Shield no thumb safety pistol in for a new Glock 43 9mm later this year.
The Shield mag release can't switch,
. It also has a annoying point where the loaded magazine can't be properly seated. You must have both sides of the M&P Shield clear for the pistol magazine to fit without any bulge or sticking, .It's a minor issue but for a deep concealment/carry gun, I don't want to be picky or screw around with defense mag changes,
.The Shield has a stainless upper and a lifetime factory service plan.
I've heard S&W finally started to install improved triggers on all the M&P pistols. This might help with the Shield too. Note: some Shields are designed with different parts/engineering for CA & MA customers.
Check the gun's box or SKU # to make sure you buy a regular M&P Shield.
A big + for Shields is they are very popular with US cops & gun owners so there are holsters, gear, add ons.
If the Glock 43 9x19mm wasn't released I'd keep my Shield 9mm but I have no need for 2 carry/CCW sub compact 9mm pistols.
The shield comes with or without the safety option.
I prefer the safety.
I have both the 9 and the .40 in the shield.
Like others have said, try them before you buy.
If you are going to start with one and then maybe sell it
if it does not work out start with the shield. In my area
the shield if you see one does not stay for sale long.
JMO and Good Luck.
I prefer the safety.
I have both the 9 and the .40 in the shield.
Like others have said, try them before you buy.
If you are going to start with one and then maybe sell it
if it does not work out start with the shield. In my area
the shield if you see one does not stay for sale long.
JMO and Good Luck.
Delford
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I got the PM45 for less than $400 LNIB and love it. I'm sure a PM9 is out there somewhere for a similar price. It has a switchable mag release and a great trigger.
I bought a used PM9 that was carried by a sherriff dep. off duty. Really nice gun, not sure its worth the extra coin over the CM, but it's been reliable.
I also have a little 380 Kahr that's been very good.
I had a Shield 9mm, don't miss it at all. The Glock 43 isn't the perfect gun, but it just suits me the best. Am going to order a couple of aftermarket base plates for +2 capacity but other than that I like it.
I also have a little 380 Kahr that's been very good.
I had a Shield 9mm, don't miss it at all. The Glock 43 isn't the perfect gun, but it just suits me the best. Am going to order a couple of aftermarket base plates for +2 capacity but other than that I like it.
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I handled and shot these same pistols, purchased the Ruger LC9s pro and have no regrets.
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I like the Xds best out of those
wally
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This makes no sense. I have Shields in .40S&W and 9mm. I carry the .40 and practice with the 9 (its paid for itself in ammo savings already). I have no issues with either gun when seating a fully loaded magazine with the slide forward.
browningguy
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From that list I would go with the Xds, I have several full size XD pistols and they have been good. But I wound up going with the Walther PPS when I got a single stack.
My shields been perfect past 3500 rounds now with 4 different factory mags. It's accurate and easy to hit with out to 25 yards.
I've shot the 45 version of the XDS and the worst part about it is the grip safety.
I've shot a friends LC9s, and it's a great little pistol, like most Rugers are.
I've shot the 45 version of the XDS and the worst part about it is the grip safety.
I've shot a friends LC9s, and it's a great little pistol, like most Rugers are.
BigJakeJ1s
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I'll suggest the Sig P938.
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M&P pistol magazines ...
I'm saying sometimes the loaded magazines stick or do not insert/seat without having the Shield's frame mag release controls clear on both sides. Your hand(palm) may keep the stainless steel loaded magazine from going in smoothly you have to look down at it or be careful.
I'm saying sometimes the loaded magazines stick or do not insert/seat without having the Shield's frame mag release controls clear on both sides. Your hand(palm) may keep the stainless steel loaded magazine from going in smoothly you have to look down at it or be careful.
Walt Sherrill
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Check out the current Guns & Ammo. They test 10 of the more popular single-stack polymer guns.
The tests were done by 5 different shooters (two from the magazine's staff and 3 experience LEO shooters); the tests were done so that all of the shooters shot all of the guns fairly evenly so that there were no good/bad shooters skewing the results.
Tests include reliability/function evaluations with details of which guns had which problems -- and there were [at least for me] surprisingly few problems.] Accuracy tests from a bench were shot at 25 yards. 650 rounds were fired through through EACH of the ten guns.
One of the shooters, at the end of the test, shot sub-2" groups with two of the guns. Most of the guns shot in the 3"-4.5" range.
Several of the guns were shot another 300-400 rounds, and two had no failures after more than 1000 rounds. (The guns were NOT cleaned or lubricated during the testing.)
There are surprises!
The tests were done by 5 different shooters (two from the magazine's staff and 3 experience LEO shooters); the tests were done so that all of the shooters shot all of the guns fairly evenly so that there were no good/bad shooters skewing the results.
Tests include reliability/function evaluations with details of which guns had which problems -- and there were [at least for me] surprisingly few problems.] Accuracy tests from a bench were shot at 25 yards. 650 rounds were fired through through EACH of the ten guns.
One of the shooters, at the end of the test, shot sub-2" groups with two of the guns. Most of the guns shot in the 3"-4.5" range.
Several of the guns were shot another 300-400 rounds, and two had no failures after more than 1000 rounds. (The guns were NOT cleaned or lubricated during the testing.)
There are surprises!
I read the article on my lunch break today. Not surprised the PPS got high praises...it is a great gun. That Taurus 709..probably the biggest surprise.
I almost bought one last fall, but only one mag came with it and finding another was impossible.
I almost bought one last fall, but only one mag came with it and finding another was impossible.
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Of the three choices listed I like the overall feel and handling qualities of the Shield. Two others I would recommend would be the Kahr CM9 and the SIG P938.
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I have the PM9 and yes it is expensive. But, when you take into consideration that such an investment is a long term one and, the overall quality you receive including accuracy as well as it's retention in value, the investment is well worth it. In short, money spent on quality is never wasted.
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