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S&W M&P's new single stack?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by danez71, Apr 7, 2012.

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  1. danez71

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    Its a single stack sub compact m&p specifically aimed at the concealed carry market
     
  5. wild cat mccane

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    S&W needs to get over itself.

    We already have a PF-9, Ruger LC9, Walther PPS, Bersa's BP9, Kimber Solo, R9, Kahr PM9/CM9, Diamondback DP9, Beretta Nano...

    Essentially they are the last manufactures making a single stack. Why build excitement over being last?
     
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    I can understand single stack with large/long cartridge like .45 or 10mm but see no point in making one in 9mm especially since most are too large/heavy for all around pocket carry. The only exception seems to be Rohrbaugh R9 which is very pocketable.
     
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    Hey, I've been wanting Glock to make their 26 with a single stack for years.

    If S&W will do that, well great! They, like Glock, are top companies and it's about time they made their excellent sub-compacts slimmer.

    Deaf
     
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    I bet it will look like a PPS, just like S&W did with the S&W99 (Walther P99). Aren't they also coming out with an "improved trigger" in the M&P line? Probably be just like a PPQ trigger.

    S&W loves to take what Walther does and stick their name on it, sell it for 10% less, sell accessories (mags, sights, etc.) for 25% less - all to retain market share and screw Walther.

    They probably went to Germany 8 years ago and begged Walther to build the M&P for them.......and not tell anyone ;)
     
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    Even though S&W may be last to capitalize on the CCW 9mm boom, I think this is absolutely awesome! Competition is great for us as the consumers. And even though my primary CC is a PPS, I am still very excited to see this pistol.
     
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    Its been shown already.

    Sent from my ADR6425LVW
     
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    Too bad it's not something original. As noted, this is the same concept that many other companies already have out. At least Springfield's small single stack is in 45acp. In fact, I bet that's why S&W delayed release...didn't want to be embarrased by the XDS. Now, can we get on with the M&P in 10mm? Or how about a M&P AR style rifle in 308/7.62!
     
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    It's hard to get excited about "1cm" grip thickness reduction at cost extra rounds lost in pistol that can not be carried in your average pocket.
     
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    Personally, I'd disagree. That bit of grip thickness reduction for me is the difference between carryable and not.

    Try as I might, I cannot comfortably carry a double-stack gun IWB. I know I'm picky (I don't even like having a wallet or cell phone in my pockets - every time I sit down I empty them), but little single stacks bring it down to a tolerable level of discomfort. Apparently, I'm not alone, as these single-stack 9's are selling pretty well.
     
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    Its not only grip width reduction, it is the loss in weight of the extra rounds that also helps carry.
     
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    If compact 9x19 needs a holster I would want 10 round out the barrel before re-laoding.
     
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    ...also for states that never got over the "Assault Weapon Ban" 10-round magazine limit. :barf:
     
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    If its as good as the PPS they'll have a winner.
     
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    But how many double stack 'compacts' are already out there? And they keep coming out with more every year.

    Every time a single stack glock 9mm gets mentioned there are tons of people that want it.

    All of those you listed are either looong triggers, or DA/SA and/or have too many reliability issues for a lot of people.

    The only one you listed that compares would be the Kimber Solo with a consistant trigger pull and a thumb safety.
     
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    Um, excuse me... but is that a (stupid, pointless) thumb safety I see there??

    Count me out. :rolleyes:
     
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    The fact that they are S&W will get me to buy one of their guns before I buy a Kel-Tec or DB, regardless of who was building them first. Do you think that Glock should just give up on making a single stack because others have "beat them to it"?.....Brand name sells products just as well (if not better) than performance....

    I would assume that it is no different from the rest of the M&P line where they also have offerings without the thumb safety.
     
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    Because some of the guns you mentioned are far from perfect and could be improved on.

    And Don't forget Springfield is joining the field with its XDs, granted it is only offered in .45 out the gate, but eventually will be offered in 9 and 40 which I look forward to trying. You might not see it, but competition is actually good for the consumer.
     
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    I wonder how much it will cost in aftermarket parts, to give this model M&P a useable trigger? :)
     
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    Yes, there are some other slim (and not-so-slim) single stack 9's on the market.

    If S&W is able to get this new one to run as reliably as their previous 3913 & CS9, they've got a winner on their hands.

    If the grip is thinner than the CS9, they've got a winner on their hands.

    Even if it only has a magazine capacity of 7-8 rounds, they've got a winner on their hands. (Will it come with a short/flush & extended mag?)

    If it has the new pending M&P trigger improvement, they've got a winner on their hands.

    If it's simpler in design than the PPS (from an armorer perspective), it'll sell well to LE who have agency armorers.

    Some folks seem to like a thumb safety on their M&P (I've got 1 with the TS & 1 without), and a reduced size lever would probably be welcome by most owners who aren't wedded to the 1911-style safety lock lever. (I only got mine because I'm a long time 1911 owner/shooter and I wanted to try one.)

    If they have a .45 model in the wings ... to replace the CS45 subcompact ... they'll have orders back-logged for months. ;)

    Personally, I'd try one in 9mm ... after it's been on the market for a bit. I dislike Kahr triggers and I was rather unimpressed with the LC9 I recently tried. Its grip and trigger would have prevented me from wanting to buy one ... even if the gun hadn't exhibited frequent light-strikes with an assortment of ammunition. (The owner of that particular LC9 got rid of it after it had been repaired by Ruger, but the light-strikes continued with 124gr +P duty ammo.)

    Yep, there's definitely room in the market for another slim single stack 9. ;)

    I'm not getting rid of my 5 other small 9's, though. :)
     
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    I've owned a kahr cw9 and I love carrying a slim 9mm single stack.

    However, if m&p releases a single stack 9 (or whatever) without reducing the slide thickness, I won't buy it.

    Why? Simple. On everything I conceal carry, the slide is the thickest part and what takes up the most room. So a single stack m&p or glock with a standard slide and narrower grip doesn't exactly free up any room in my waist band. No thanks, I'll stick to the double stack version and higher round count since I'm not saving any waistband space.

    Just look at the glock 36. It has been around for a long time and never exactly took the ccw world by storm.

    If it IS a new slimline and the slide is narrower, then all the geometry changes and it is essentially a new gun with new internals. If that is the case, I'd want to ait a year and see if it has new to market teething issues.

    See what I mean here in the rear views of the new XDs. Obviously there has been some very major tweaking or a complete redesign to make it fit the narrow confines.
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