S&W M&P's new single stack?

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Is there a market glut for a compact 9mm?

Go look at the waiting list for the Boberg despite the fact the production is limited to a few per week.
 
I got misquoted quite a bit there :)

I never said we don't need a new one. I like having MANY options. However, the sneak peek pic releases, the building of excitement, the secret facebook posts by S&W...all that was ridiculous.

Maybe they should spend the time making the M&P trigger not the worst striker trigger on the market? :) There. That should get more attention :)
 
I never said we don't need a new one. I like having MANY options. However, the sneak peek pic releases, the building of excitement, the secret facebook posts by S&W...all that was ridiculous.
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Its called marketing ;). They're in business to sell guns. Regardless of how justified you think it is, marketing does, in fact, work. They'd be crazy NOT to do this sort of thing to build up excitement for a new product.
 
Its called marketing . They're in business to sell guns. Regardless of how justified you think it is, marketing does, in fact, work. They'd be crazy NOT to do this sort of thing to build up excitement for a new product.
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And it works because here we have a 2 page discussion on something not even released yet. :)
 
wild cat mccane said:
I got misquoted quite a bit there :)

I never said we don't need a new one. I like having MANY options. However, the sneak peek pic releases, the building of excitement, the secret facebook posts by S&W...all that was ridiculous.

Maybe they should spend the time making the M&P trigger not the worst striker trigger on the market? :) There. That should get more attention :)
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Marketing has been working for Ruger quiet well along with the pet rock and numerous other things. I actualy fall more on your side on this though. Let performance be your marketing and sell the product cheaper. But thats just me.

Trigger... a whole other thread but I like the MP trigger better than glocks but I'm not a trigger snob... just someone that hates loooong triggers. Hence why I didnt buy the LC9 / Kahr or any other DA/SA with decocker except for a couple 22s that are for plinking and have an hammer I can thumb back.


I agree also with that it must have a thinner slide. Just a thinner grip wont cut it for me. Thinner slide and grip and its mine and I'll sell my MP9c to get it and run my BHP more again. I miss not shooting it more than I do now.
 
I love it!

If its truly a thin, single stack then I surely will be owning one. Im a huge fan of my several M&P's and my carry gun is my compact m&p .357sig. It will be hard for me to ditch an amazing caliber in wht I consider the perfect caliber to size ratio but if this is thin enough it may turn in my sole carry gun. At the very least it will go in rotation with my .357sig but I am keeping my fingers crossed fo this in that caliber
 
Two days to go until the grand unveil. I for one am excited and will very likely get one (since we all pretty much know it will be 9mm slim M&P).
 
I was just thinking today how I would love to have a more concealable single stack 9mm, but only if it was as close to my M&P9 as possible...

Sounds like my wish will be granted =)

I've owned Glocks, Walthers, Rugers, Sigs, Tauri, and Berettas. And the M&P has beat them all in my opinion. I'm getting rid of my Walther P22 to get the M&P .22 pistol, and I'll probably get rid of my Millennium Pro to get this new M&P. I'll probably get rid of my LCP to get the Bodyguard as well.
 
1: That picture is photoshopped. Anyone can see that. It isn't even in a real physical space.

2: All this excitement got 2 pages on a large forum with 4 posts being my own bashing on their marketing. S&W marketing worked? :)


Dear S&W, I have a business degree. I would love to come and work for you and do a much better job at excitement building translating to higher sales. Please send PM.
 
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1: That picture is photoshopped. Anyone can see that. It isn't even in a real physical space.
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Compare it to the picture linked later in the thread. It's the same picture with the man's hand that was holding it painted out. It is photoshoped - but it's not the item itself that was photoshopped - it was a poor editing job to remove the background from around it.

2: All this excitement got 2 pages on a large forum with 4 posts being my own bashing on their marketing. S&W marketing worked?
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2 pages on this forum. Other pages on other forums. Lots more on their Facebook page. You can't possibly believe that the measure of success for an entire marketing campaign can be gauged via THR alone. That's like standing in a single building during a war and claiming that a battle was a failure because all you saw was a single window get shot out. You don't get the whole picture until you look outside at the total effect ;).
 
DAdams said:
Go look at the waiting list for the Boberg despite the fact the production is limited to a few per week.
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Good idea! ... *checks*

Crap. 281st in line. And I signed up November 16, 2011.
 
I actualy fall more on your side on this though. Let performance be your marketing and sell the product cheaper. But thats just me
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Sadly that all to often doesn't work. See the relative success of the XD and say the Steyr M series. The XD design existed prior to Springfield branding it the XD and hyping it up with their marketing campaign. It wasn't until it had ads in every gun rag that it caught on. The design was just as good before.

On the other end of things is the Steyr M series. These are wonderful guns. I personally find that they compare very favorably to Glocks and they other polymer 9mms. However, they have not been marketed well and they have never caught on.

I have to agree with the poster that said unless the slide is smaller too it is not really an advantage.

I welcome this to the market, but there are enough good products out and available for purchase (for years now in fact) for me to be waiting on edge.
 
I think they would be making a mistake going with single stack 9mm. Personally I like 9mm but I think Springfield is headed in the right direction. A lot of people are buying 1911's this past year many of them being new gun owners some will find the 1911 too heavy to carry all day and be looking for a light pistol in .45 that is easy to carry.
 
Looks great to me. I really wanted a single stack 9mm and was hoping this would have been released sooner. I got tired of waiting for the S&W and bought a PPS. I am a bit concerned over the safety - I don't want one on my gun. However, it's entirely possible that this "feature" is only found on one variant of the gun to make it fit certain niche markets.
 
A lot of people are buying 1911's this past year many of them being new gun owners some will find the 1911 too heavy to carry all day and be looking for a light pistol in .45 that is easy to carry.
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A good holster makes a 1911 not that bad.
 
As I said... Some will find it too heavy. Other will carry it just fine. I know of a lot of people that carry 1911s 24/7 and never hear them complain about the weight.
 
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Maybe they should spend the time making the M&P trigger not the worst striker trigger on the market? There. That should get more attention
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Interestingly, that appears to be what they tried to do with the new trigger on the M&P Shield, which HAS been redesigned for a more positive reset, though it still features the hinged trigger deal.

Caleb Giddings at Gun Nuts Radio has the first review up already. Unfortunately, it's not very complete.

http://gunnuts.net/2012/04/12/smith-wesson-mp-shield-9mm-review/
 
This seems to be an example of S&W's new marketing philosophy, with them waiting until they'd developed an inventory before announcing release, and also developing a catalog of readily available accessories by working with several other companies. ;)
 
Meh, the XDs is thinner, more pocketable, with a better trigger/better sights and in a better caliber. AND it doesn't have the stupid safety.

Kudos to Smithy for having the gun ready to ship right away, but the XDs just seems better in every appreciable way.
 
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I've been excitedly waiting for this little pistol to be released, but after checking the dimensions, it really has nothing to offer over the Kahr CM9 I already own.

I carry an M&P9c iwb ~95% of the time, but there are times when a smaller/lighter gun is just more comfortable or practical. I had hoped that the Shield would be decent replacement for my CM9, but it's larger in every dimension and has a thumb safety. :barf:

I suppose I could deal with the size, but the safety is a deal-breaker for me. That's one of the reasons I own an M&P9c and CM9 instead of the Ruger SR9c and LC9.
 
Meh, the XDs is thinner, more pocketable, with a better trigger/better sights and in a better caliber. AND it doesn't have the stupid safety.
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Do you own a XD 3"? Or have handled one?

It doesn't exactly have an overall advantage in size & weight to the new Shield (the XD 3" retains the thick and chunky profile), although it does have a magazine capacity advantage. Maybe the single stack XD will be better?

As far as the safety issue, the XD has the grip safety, and that pivoting loaded chamber indicator (similar to Ruger's indicator, which means more parts that have to function during feeding).

If S&W has managed to create a safety with increased resistance to the original M&P option, then it shouldn't be a problem for proper handling, manipulation & usage. I won't be able to compare it to the BG380's safety until I get one on the bench, though.

I'm curious to see how the new enhanced M&P-type trigger does, myself. The original specs for the M&P called for an acceptable +/- 2 lbs tolerance for the 6 1/2 lb trigger in the 9/.40/.457 (the .45 is about half a pound heavier). The XD specs call for a trigger in the subcompact with an acceptable variance of 5.5-7.7 lbs (slightly more than a +/- 2 lbs tolerance), so it's not like the XD's trigger is going to be much different.

If I can't get one for T&E any time soon, I might just order one, anyway, being familair with the M&P platform (as an owner and armorer). I'm due for a M&P armorer recert later this year, and I hope to get the armorer info for the new Shield in the near future.

I suspect this new S&W will create an increasing amount of market attention, even with the existing smallish compact & subcompact 9/.40's already available.

My first inclination is to try it in 9mm, as I have more .40's than 9's at the moment. ;)
 
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