Most of you are thinking in the box- So you want lethality, no penetration, wide dispersion of projectiles- Learn from the Marines! Specificly, the Marines who took back the Pacific Islands. FLAMETHROWER!! (of course, there may be some ramifications with your homeowners policy....)
Rifle for Home Defense?
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Strings
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I'm trying hard to picture THAT one before a Grand Jury... somehow, I don't think that would qualify for a "no bill" (unless, of course, the shooter was in Texas. And could be described in three words as "lil' pregnant gal")...
So is that Carbine a USGI one or a more recent manufacture model. That little rifle has always appealed to me.
Another that I have thought would make a good choice for a handy little self defense carbine is one of the Ruger PC40. Have to think a 155gr .40 would make a very good, reasonable range stopper out of a carbine length barrel.
C Sponge;
I disagree with your negative response concerning what all prosecutors will say about my weapon. If you had any actual knowledge of what my local procecutor might say it would be different. I live in a sensitive environment. I do not wish to add to my legal bills by having to bring expert witnesses to justify my AR or my AK. Almost all hi cap mags are illegal here. Guns are frowned upon. A trial is an economic war with the legal system and the press. My choice of firearms is intended to win the fight and the aftermath.
I fear the prosecutor less than my local newspaper. It prohibits advertisements for any firearm with a bbl length less than 3". It is rabidly anti gun in it's editorial policy.
Marshal; nice post about the M1 Carbine. I understand there is a site called <www.theboxotruth.com> whhere the M1 was tested under home defense conditions with Winchester HSP loads.
I disagree with your negative response concerning what all prosecutors will say about my weapon. If you had any actual knowledge of what my local procecutor might say it would be different. I live in a sensitive environment. I do not wish to add to my legal bills by having to bring expert witnesses to justify my AR or my AK. Almost all hi cap mags are illegal here. Guns are frowned upon. A trial is an economic war with the legal system and the press. My choice of firearms is intended to win the fight and the aftermath.
I fear the prosecutor less than my local newspaper. It prohibits advertisements for any firearm with a bbl length less than 3". It is rabidly anti gun in it's editorial policy.
Marshal; nice post about the M1 Carbine. I understand there is a site called <www.theboxotruth.com> whhere the M1 was tested under home defense conditions with Winchester HSP loads.
Marshall
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It's a Universal. It has a light birch stock with nice dark figures, never given me any problems either. I really enjoy the gun, one of my favorite little rifles. I enjoy shooting it more than rifles I have that cost 5 times as much.
106rr, thank you. I'll check out the link.
Tony Mig
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Clint Smith is well trained, and a very smart individual when it comes to fighting with guns, however I believe one's choice in home defense weapons may also hinge on what their particular state laws entail, the area in which they live, and wether or not they have other family members living within the home. Personal choice also plays a big factor here, some preffer one type of firearm over another based on the fact that they are much more proficent with one type over the others, and therefore more comfortable using that particular type of firearm.
With that said....I live in The People's Republic of gun hating, Liberal New Jersey. There is no shooting at anything outside the home unless you are 1,000 feet from any road, it's daylight, you're hold a shotgun, and you have a hunting license on your back. If someone is climbing through your window with a gun in their hand, you better wait until they are far enough inside so when you do shoot them, they don't fall back out of the house, or you just might find yourself rotting in a state pen....
You can't shoot them with a hollow point, or you'll be charged with using excessive force, and if it can be proven that you knew the invader, they will attempt to turn it into a domestic violence case, and charge you with man slaughter.
New Jersey is such a wonderful place thanks to our politicians, the likes of Jon Corzine, and Frank Lautengurg...... :banghead:
So for me, it's a 9mm XD loaded with Federal 147gr. expanding full metal jacket, an alarm system, and a german sheppard.........
With that said....I live in The People's Republic of gun hating, Liberal New Jersey. There is no shooting at anything outside the home unless you are 1,000 feet from any road, it's daylight, you're hold a shotgun, and you have a hunting license on your back. If someone is climbing through your window with a gun in their hand, you better wait until they are far enough inside so when you do shoot them, they don't fall back out of the house, or you just might find yourself rotting in a state pen....
You can't shoot them with a hollow point, or you'll be charged with using excessive force, and if it can be proven that you knew the invader, they will attempt to turn it into a domestic violence case, and charge you with man slaughter.
New Jersey is such a wonderful place thanks to our politicians, the likes of Jon Corzine, and Frank Lautengurg...... :banghead:
So for me, it's a 9mm XD loaded with Federal 147gr. expanding full metal jacket, an alarm system, and a german sheppard.........
Marshall
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Tony, thank you for making me feel lucky about living in my state.
epijunkie67
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I had understood the NJ law to be against all forms of expanding ammo, not just hollow points. Specifically I read somewhere that the EFMJ rounds were covered by this statute and thus illegal. Might want to check on that.
And after reading the entire thread I'm going to throw out on option here just to really stir things up a little.
I own an FN57 pistol and love it. Very low recoil, 20 round magazine, and fires a round designed to replace the 9mm in effectiveness (Though there is a lot of argument about that.)
Heres where I get a few arguments. The P90 rifle firing this same round is due out in civilian version in a few months. Light, bullpup design, 50 round magazine (Yeah it sells with a 30 but the 50s fit and are legal), and will launch a 40 grain round at over 2200 FPS. The recoil will be basically nonexistant.
50 rounds with no recoil from a shoulder fired weapon no longer than an AK pistol.
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mussi
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As long as we can't get a rifle that will fire the following rounds:
a) rubber and gel rounds
b) salt (for the fools that try to 'embellish' your walls with spray paint)
c) #09 buckshot (for criminals that get into your home)
d) #01 buckshot (for criminals that survived #09)
Something trying to replace the 12-gauge will have a very hard time, especially in jurisdictions that don't like the P90 and it's derivatives. The choice is clear here.
a) rubber and gel rounds
b) salt (for the fools that try to 'embellish' your walls with spray paint)
c) #09 buckshot (for criminals that get into your home)
d) #01 buckshot (for criminals that survived #09)
Something trying to replace the 12-gauge will have a very hard time, especially in jurisdictions that don't like the P90 and it's derivatives. The choice is clear here.
Still use a USMC 870MkI as my primary house gun.
Many rounds of 00 full-brass buckshot in the extended mag tube. Nobody's gonna convince me otherwise. I stopped not one, but two attempted home invasions with it in my last state of residence. As for old wive's tales, one ne'er-do-well did indeed turn tail and run down the street as I racked aforementioned 870 MkI loudly, for to insert one of possibly many 00 Buck rounds into the chamber. He had the gall to leave a puddle on my front porch, too.
But there's a sidefolder SAR-1 with alternating Glasers and soft points tucked between the nightstand and headboard. Just in case, don't ya know...
Many rounds of 00 full-brass buckshot in the extended mag tube. Nobody's gonna convince me otherwise. I stopped not one, but two attempted home invasions with it in my last state of residence. As for old wive's tales, one ne'er-do-well did indeed turn tail and run down the street as I racked aforementioned 870 MkI loudly, for to insert one of possibly many 00 Buck rounds into the chamber. He had the gall to leave a puddle on my front porch, too.
But there's a sidefolder SAR-1 with alternating Glasers and soft points tucked between the nightstand and headboard. Just in case, don't ya know...
entropy
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That sound definitely get's one's attention, Gew98! I temporarily cleared out a party (unintentionally) just by racking my 870 open to show someone. (I was sober, but young and stupid. It was stolen later in the wee hours of the morning. Only gun ever stolen from me, and I definitely learned my lesson(s) that night: Guns 'n booze do not mix. ( I gave up the booze five years ago. I suddenly had more money for guns! ) Don't parade around your pride and joy 870 at a party, it may grow legs!
I temporarily cleared out a party (unintentionally) just by racking my 870 open to show someone. (I was sober, but young and stupid. It was stolen later in the wee hours of the morning. Only gun ever stolen from me, and I definitely learned my lesson(s) that night: Guns 'n booze do not mix. ( I gave up the booze five years ago. I suddenly had more money for guns! ) Don't parade around your pride and joy 870 at a party, it may grow legs! - Status
