Smaller mags = larger more 'deadly' bullets?

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So another irony in the 'smaller mags' debate is the natural move to larger bullets. If you can carry 20 in 9x19, it's a tradeoff for many people over a larger bullet, say the .45 ACP in a smaller capacity.

However, IF we are limited on capacity in some way, say you can only have 10 rounds, then it makes sense for some to switch from their smaller calibers to larger ones.

If YOU could only carry 10 or less, would that impact your decision to switch calibers in your gun? Or do you already carry a gun that carrys 10 or less? If you carry a wondernine, for instance, would you continue to carry it with only 10 rounds, or would you switch to a larger caliber?

I understand and endorse the argument for shot placement btw...
 
The emphis in gun development after the 1994 VCCA passage was toward the smaller guns in larger calibers, and even smaller guns in smaller calibers we see now.

Pretty sure without the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, the full size high cap wonder-nine wars would still be brewing up big guns with bigger hi-cap magazine capicaty.

We have big government to thank for the current crop of small .380, 9mm, .40 & .45 guns that are so easy to carry and hide!!

rc
 
No, I would still be OK with 9mm, IF such a thing was to happen - I'd probably go with smaller and more concealable firearms, just like the manufacturers made when the Wundernine craze got slam dunked with the AWB - some of the best compact and subcompact design work started then, I'd hazard the guess.

Edit to add, rc posted JUST a wee bit before me. :)
 
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If they put in a capacity limit on magazines, I would definitely go for at least a .45.

However, one has to ask if they could enforce a limit on existing magazines. If not, I'd keep a 9, and be happy that anything a young mugger could buy in the store will have less ammunition.
 
My 3913 mag only holds 8 rounds of 9mm.

I MIGHT go back to a full-size 1911 anyway.

10mm anyone?
 
This is a leading assumption based on fiction, none of this has or will happen.
 
Just post that so the bad guys get the memo. I'm sure they will immediatlly hand over their hi-cap magazines an assault rifles.
 
I don't think it was a coincidence that the ban was made in 1994 and Glock came out with the G26 and G27 in 1995 then followed it up with the G29 in 10mm and G30 in .45 all with 10 round magazines shortly there after. So I get what you are saying. I normally carry a G26 IWB with the ten round magazine now. I don't see me going up to a G30 but if I was carrying a G19 I probably would go up to a G30.
 
I had never thought of this in this way! Thanks for making me think! I do want to purchase and carry a 9mm because of the higher capacity (17 for the xd9 I want). I have always preferred the idea of 16-19rds of 9mm over 8-12 of .45. If this playing field were to be leveled by the 10rd cap (which I hope it never will), then yes I absolutely would upgrade to the better knock down power of the .45 over the 9mm.
 
I typically carry a Glock subcompact, they have either a 9 or 10 round magazine.

If there is another assinine artificial federal restriction on magazine capacity I do think folks will go for larger calibers.
 
However, IF we are limited on capacity in some way, say you can only have 10 rounds, then it makes sense for some to switch from their smaller calibers to larger ones.
Where you would get hosed is something like the 458 SOCOM, where a stock 30 round .223 AR mag is a 12 round 458 mag. Make all mags under 10 rounds and that would be a 2-3 round 458 mag.
 
jmorris, unless it's marked as a 10-round .458 SOCOM mag. Then you have a 24-round .223 mag that's legal because it only supports 10 rounds of the cartridge it was designed for.
 
During the ban Para-Ordinance changed their focus from high capacity 14 round 1911's to sub-compact 1911's. Many other manufacturers did the same and the result was just the opposite of what the gun banners wanted as smaller, lighter pistols meant more people started carrying.
 
I happen to like .45 and .44 and shoot them well (and often). So that's what I normally carry, and that's in 9-shot or 6-shot varieties.

However, I feel equally protected with a 9mm so the point is moot.
 
Wonder why the pocket nines, 380s and J frames are selling so well.

I know, it is a plot to get us to accept the ban on large capacity magazines.

Genius, the antigun folks have been in collusion with gun manufactures to subliminallly get us to accept small capacity guns in less deadly calibers.

Must be the ghost of Bill Ruger shining through Bloomberg's ouija board that did this!!! :eek:

Get the exorcist - I bought an LCP and a 632 recently!! :uhoh:
 
All mine are 10 rounds or less not by any legal concerns but these are the handguns I'm interested in, no wonder nines and I've never thought about round capacity or lack thereof when buying guns.
 
I might change to .38 Super from 9mm (well, all my competition guns are .38 Super). The .45 ACP has a different kind of recoil and I don't want to relearn to use one. I'm too old.

The only thing a mag ban would bring about is many more mag holders in my belt.
 
Same here huntsman, I do have an extended mag for my G26, but the rest are under 10 or 10 +1, but I will defend the right of others to own them should they choose to.
 
So another irony in the 'smaller mags' debate is the natural move to larger bullets. If you can carry 20 in 9x19, it's a tradeoff for many people over a larger bullet, say the .45 ACP in a smaller capacity.

However, IF we are limited on capacity in some way, say you can only have 10 rounds, then it makes sense for some to switch from their smaller calibers to larger ones.

If YOU could only carry 10 or less, would that impact your decision to switch calibers in your gun? Or do you already carry a gun that carrys 10 or less? If you carry a wondernine, for instance, would you continue to carry it with only 10 rounds, or would you switch to a larger caliber?

I understand and endorse the argument for shot placement btw...
Some years ago, back when CA was first preparing to enact their magazine capacity restrictions, I listened to everyone discussing this subject of caliber priority versus magazine capacity. I almost leaned toward the caliber-superiority group. Almost.

The first several years of my LE career were spent carrying an issued 6-shot revolver as a duty weapon. I carried the issued .357 Magnum, although .38 Spl, .44 Magnum/Spl and .45 Colt/ACP revolvers were authorized, and some older guys carried them. I carried similar 6-shot revolvers off-duty, as well as a Colt Commander (with 7-rd magazines).

When they gave me a hi-cap 9mm back about '90, I did miss my Magnum service revolver, and I still thought my .45's were better than 9mm's.

Everybody had been talking about the Miami-Dade FBI shooting for a few years by that time, as well as the 10mm for LE usage ... and then S&W went and developed the .40 S&W with Winchester. Now it started to get a bit murky ...

Now, after having spent more years in LE, and retiring (but still keeping my hand in things as a firearms trainer/instructor), I don't give the same priority to caliber as a number of other folks.

Nowadays I carry & use 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP pistols, and carry one or another of my 5-shot .38's (and every once in a while I may carry one of my 5-shot .357's actually loaded with .357 Magnum).

I don't see how either caliber or capacity can successfully "offset", or make up for, lack of attention to skillset, recurrent training/practice, mindset and attention to equipment maintenance.

Only one of the full-size pistols I presently own uses hi-cap mags ... and that's only 12 round mags, at that. (I have some 10-rd mags for that pistol, and I'll occasionally find myself using them.) The rest use 6, 7, 8, 9 & 10 rounds mags.

I'm fine with that.

While I carried one or another issued hi-cap 9 or .40 during the "middle" of my career, when I retired I was carrying an issued 7+1 .45 pistol ... but I'd have been fine (happier, in fact) if they'd let me carry a 3913TSW (8+1 capacity) on-duty. Lighter & smaller than the .45 compact I was given ... and I shoot the 3913's rather well.

Whenever one of our folks is looking to argue about the differences in pistol calibers or magazine capacities, I ask them to reflect upon their demonstrated performance & abilities during their qual course-of-fire ... and ask them if they didn't feel they might put their attention to better use by trying to improve their skillset & mindset. ;)

It's just a handgun ... chambered in one or another of the commonly used calibers used for defensive purpose.
 
Smaller mags = larger more 'deadly' bullets?

Smaller mags just mean smaller guns make more sense. Bigger bullets are just bigger bullets, they aren't any more deadly.

I don't anticipate any such legislation. The 1994-2004 AWB if anything proved to pro-gun and anti-gun folks that those type of laws are useless. I expect more gun control,but from a much different angle this time.

In war, football, or politics one of the best strategies is to get your opponent lookng in one direction and preparing for an attack from there, then come at them from a directon they do not suspect. Forget about the 1994 AWB. That did not work and there will not be any more like it. Be on the guard for something totally different.
 
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