I cannot answer the question because I would never have need for such a ridiculous holster.
I'll never understand why a revolver is good to go, but yet people think a semi auto needs manual safeties and or no round chambered to be safe.Sure.
But I carry a revolver.
Which is odd IMO. Seems like the anti gun movement has pushed gun owners to historically unprecedented levels of civilian firearms training.Lack of proficiency and training.
True, but I would say that for the most part, fear buyers go out buy a gun, maybe shoot it a few times at a range, and then put it in their night stand or kitchen drawer. People who carry outside of an occupational necessity however tend to be the same people who get as much training as they can get their hands on. That is why I have always been opposed to ccw license requirements. The inclination to carry a gun is either criminal (in which case the law is irrelevant), or defensive (and face it, I have never heard of anybody that carries a gun by choice on a consistent basis just because they are concerned for their safety - they enjoy shooting and figure they might as well have their gun should they ever need it).Well, maybe sort of. There are also a lot of people who just ran out and bought a gun and got a permit or not, and really have no idea whats going on.
Then you also have the "one platform" people, who only have experience with one type and all others are scary.
I do not, will not carry chambered for these reasons:
1. The Israeil draw/method is just as fast, with the rack occuring during the forward movement of the gun. Even new practitioners can draw-rack-fire, 3 shots, in about 1.5 seconds.
While slower, yes Israeli carry is almost as fast when you have both hands free. That is an unfortunate if in a lot of cases.
2. Because I am not a LE or SWAT professional I am not trained in hand-to-hand combat. If the BG is close enough to me to prevent me from using both hands, then I would not be inclined to draw (and then be obligated fight to retain my gun and prevent it from being used against me). I would be inclined to use all other means to escape or get clear, so that I could draw.
I was unaware that LE or SWAT credentials were needed to be trained in hand to hand techniques. I guess I cheated. Seriously though, if you like to shoot, I'd bet you would love learning hand to hand to handgun transition and retention techniques. If you carry for self defense you might as well.
3. I find the Glock to be the perfect weapon for this proven method, reliable and ready to fire upon chambering. No safeties to fumble with.
As do many. A chambered glock is no different than a revolver in terms of how you shoot it. I've never seen a revolver with a safety and not chambering a glock is like leaving a cylinder empty so that the first trigger pull does nothing. (although even then you would do it one handed)
4. I wish to avoid or greatly reduce the very real - much more likely - risk of an AD/ND that might well hurt or kill a loved one, or myself. I find that I can draw with much greater confidence knowing that my Glock cannot fire until I really want to.
When drawing there is only one thing that can make a gun discharge, and that is a finger pulling the trigger. If that is an issue, then like #2, you have a great opportunity to have fun training. Chambered or not, want to or not, trigger pulls are the only way a glock is going to fire.
It should be recognized that the Israeli method continues to be used, and is making a resurgence in the United States and among law professionals.
When you are lost on what a term means, you will often find an answer quicker by typing it in the search engine of your choice, and paying close attention to the first couple results. Doesn't always work, but in this case it does.I don't want to sound ignorant, but I guess I am; what is "smart carry" please?
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got this from someone who knows.I have lived, shot, and served in Israel for many years, and I am very familiar with the “Israeli Carry”. It is certainly not the fastest way to get into action, but it is the safest for barely-trained civilian carry in the usual crowded Israeli civilian environments (schools, busses, streets, malls, etc). A dropped gun will not fire, and a lost or misplaced gun found in cond 3 is safer than in cond 1. It had its roots in the early days of Israel with the many polyglot arms available–all with their own particular safety systems and Manual of Arms. Visualize an odd hodge-podge of worn-out BHPs, 1911s, Lugers, P-38s, PPKs, Steyrs, Webley autos, Rubys, etc, and you get the idea. The only fast and safe way of training and carry for those non-gun folks was cond 3 and rack on the draw. This out-moded cond 3 carry has carried over till this day–even tho there are much better and faster methods now available–I certainly do not use it and rely on cond 1 in all of my EDC guns–dmd
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Originally Posted by easyg
Sure.
But I carry a revolver.
You really don't understand????I'll never understand why a revolver is good to go, but yet people think a semi auto needs manual safeties and or no round chambered to be safe.
You really don't understand????
How about this...
My revolver has a 13 lbs. trigger, and an approx. 1" travel.
My Glock has a 5.5 lbs. trigger, and approx. .5" travel.
Which do you think is more forgiving of human error?