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Smith & Wesson 586

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Warners, Nov 29, 2010.

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  1. Warners

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    I would really like to add a Smith&Wesson 586 revolver to my small collection (either 4" or 6" barrel...not sure which yet). What I need to know is what to look for specifically? I understand that some of them had issues with magnum rounds and had to be sent back to S&W for an upgrade. I also understand that some of the newer ones use what some believe to be inferior parts in them. So what is the sweet spot and how do I know which years are preferred? Is there a S&W cheat-sheet for this somewhere?

    Thanks in advance guys,

    Warner
     
  2. Olympus

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    There's a sticky in this section about what to check when purchasing a used revolver. Always a good place to start.

    Personally, I'd look for any model that doesn't have the infernal, I mean internal, lock. You'll be fine. The 586/686 is a very solid gun.
     
  3. Warners

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    Thanks for the link. I did read that and it is a useful link. I was more interested in specifics around the 586/686. How would I know if the revolver has the internal lock? And I remember reading something about the codes on the revolver that would tell whether or not it needed the upgrade from S&W for magnum loads. I've also read some guys talking about the guns made before the early 90's may have some better internal parts?

    Thanks again,

    Warner
     
  4. Rexster

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    If it has the obvious keyhole on the left side, by the cylinder release, there is a lock in there.
     
  5. Rexster

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    Oops, double-tap.
     
  6. LawofThirds

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    The early 586's and 586-1's had issues (not sure on full details) that required a trip to the factory. If a -1 or no dash has a M overstamped, then S&W has rectified the issue. So.... Anything -2 and later is fine, early ones are fine if they've been overstamped with an M.
     
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    LawofThirds beat me to it... no dash or a -1 with an M has the modification done by S&W
     
  8. TonyT

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    I shoot an older 586 no dash without the rework done to the recoil shield and without the M stamp. It has functioned perfectly for many years. However, I must admit that I shoot very few full power loads.
     
  9. Warners

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    Okay...thanks. So I'm looking for one that either has the M stamped, or is a dash 2 or higher. Now what about the lock? When did they start incorporating that? And what about the internal parts as some have mentioned elsewhere not being as high quality as the older ones? Anyone have any insight on those questions?

    Thanks again guys,

    Warner
     
  10. Olympus

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    If memory serves me, 1996 is when they first started making the internal lock on the 686. Smith stopped making the 586 sometime in the 90s, so I'm not sure if it was before or after the introduction of the lock. It might be possible that the 586 was never made with an internal lock. That's also around the time that Smith started introducing MIM internal parts. Some have said that they're not up to the quality that they used to be and others have said they have no problems at all. My opinion, if I were looking to buy another Smith revolver, I would prefer one of the older models with no lock and no MIM parts. That's just because I like the quality and craftsmanship of the older Smith revolvers. But if I didn't have a choice or couldn't find what I was looking for, I'd end up going for one of the new models. Unless you're shooting thousands and thousands of rounds per year, I doubt you would see much difference in the quality of the internals as far as wear and tear. But the 586 isnt' exactly a difficult to locate gun. Gun shows and shops in my area usually have a decent selection. So in that case, I'd buy one of the older ones just because there is still a decent supply of them. Older Smith revolvers seem to be significantly increasing in value, so that's another added bonus.
     
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    I have a no-dash nickle plated 1984 4 inch 586. Great gun. It did not have the mod, but locked up one day on a primer flowback over the pin. Magtech round. Took some work to get it free.

    S&W paid for the shipping there and back. I also had it refinished and S&W did some work to the internals. I figure its good to go for another 26 years :cool:

    I should post pictures. The refinish is very pretty.

    The 586 is my favorite .357. Pythons are nice, and there is nothing wrong with the other Smiths, but there is a heft to the 586 that is very comforting. It is also the most handsome .357, but other will quibble.
     
  12. 340PD

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    586L Comp just bought. 3" Performance Center gun. 7 shot cylinder.

    586Lcomp.jpg
     
  13. Warners

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    Thanks. So now the real question.....what is a fair price for one of these puppies?

    Let me know and thanks,

    Warner
     
  14. Olympus

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    The Performance Center gun like the one posted above is going to run you quite a bit more than a typical used 586. I would say $500 to $600 would be a good ballpark range for a good condition 586. $500 range would be a little more a deal and anything else would be considered really good. $600ish would be about the most I would be willing to pay for one.
     
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    I found this info on another site:


    586
    1981 Intro

    586-1
    1986 Radius stud package, floating hand.

    586-2
    1987 Change hammer nose and associated parts.

    586-M
    1987 Product warning by S&W, M overstamp to indicate factory mod for 586 and 586-1.

    586-3
    1988 New yoke retention system
    1992 Delete 8 3/8" barrel and four-position front site.
    1992 Delete nickel finish

    586-4
    1994 Drill and tap, synthetic grips, change rear site and extractor.
    1995 Delete square butt
    1997 Delete 8 3/8" barrel, change to MIM thumb piece

    586-5
    1998 Change design to eliminate cylider stop stud. Change to MIM hammer with floating firing pin, change to MIM trigger, change internal lockworks.

    1999
    Nov 1999 586 discontinued

    2000
    Special production of 586-L Comp (3" ported black finish).



    So in looking at this, it appears to me that the dash 3 would be the most desirable? It's "magnum ready" and doesn't have any of the MIM parts for sure. The dash 4 may have some MIM parts, it seems, unless you could find one made in 1994 or 1995.

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  16. Olympus

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    Anything up to the dash 5 would be personally what I would look for. MIM thumbpiece on a dash 4 wouldn't really be a huge deal breaker in my book. But starting with the dash 5s you start getting into more and more of the MIM parts. And like I said before, the MIM parts probably wouldn't be that big of a deal if there was a limited supply of the 586s. But you shouldn't have difficulty locating an older version of the 586 without the MIM parts.
     
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    I had a 586-4 and wish I had never traded it. I liked that it was drilled and tapped. A MIM thumbpiece is no big deal.
     
  18. Warners

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    Good point....

    Warner
     
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    I love my 4", 7 shot 586-7. It has the lock but I still love it incredibly. This one's in the "never fricken sell" corner of the safe.

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    Someone had this 586-3 drilled and tapped. Only thing I would change is the trigger. I would like a target trigger. Other than that, I love it. I will not be getting rid of this one. If anything, I'll end up with another 586.

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    Hello friends and neighbors // My 1983 no dash 586 cost $400 used several years ago, so I'd probably spend $500.00 + now.

    I too had primer flow back problems and had S&W do the "recall" Mod. but that is all.
    IMHO the 6' S&W 586 is the perfect .357 for hunting/target and a real beauty.

    It soaks up .357 recoil much better than my Ruger Sixes (Security and Service ) or either of my Dan Wessons (with a 6" barrel on) and is more comfortable to carry than my S&W model 28.
    The 6" 586 remains my favorite and most reliable firearm.

    A couple of years ago I had the Trigger smoothed a bit. I think it helped, as you can see the adjustable sights are a blessing for sure. LOL
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    good Luck finding what works for you.
     
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    Blacksky I can see why you won't sell that gun. It is beautiful.
     
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    Where do you live Warners? I saw a gorgeous all original 586 4" at a gun show over the weekend in Georgia. Probably 99% for $500 bucks. I will see if he's at the next local gun show on December 11th. I would have bought it if I wasn't looking for a colt 1903.

    I had a 98% or so model 581 that is in the "I wish I never sold that" list. I wouldn't worry too much if it didn't have the modification. S&W will do it for free and I've talked to people that have fired thousands of rounds out of a non modified gun with no problems. My 581 no dash didn't have it and shot fine but I didn't put a thousand rounds through it.
     
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    I'm in the nothwest suburbs of Chicago....but not IN Chicago (thank God!). Keep me posted...that sounds like a good deal...

    Thanks,

    Warner
     
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    A 6" 586 is definitely on my wish list. My oldest brother has one just like the one in post #21.
     
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