So I went to a 3gun match...
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natedog
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Hey DMK, how do you activate the Streamlight? Does it have momentary on/off?
Something on the low-tech end, Heavy Metal.
http://www.multigun.com/hmetal.pdf
I've been to only a few 3-Gun matches at my range, and use equipment that could be classified as "Heavy Metal", i.e., cheaper than tacticool AR's. I get beat and am on the lower end of the scores. Fun and learning experience.
http://www.multigun.com/hmetal.pdf
I've been to only a few 3-Gun matches at my range, and use equipment that could be classified as "Heavy Metal", i.e., cheaper than tacticool AR's. I get beat and am on the lower end of the scores. Fun and learning experience.
Bartholomew Roberts
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My 3-gun blaster...
Of course since that pic in September 2002, I've added a Surefire G2 in 1" rings... however since I have such elaborate gear I naturally don't shoot much and have only fired about 1,500rds since February 1st with a mere 2.5k budgeted for April.
Perhaps with enough shooting I will eventually reach the stage of enlightment that .357wheelgunner achieved watching a single match while planning the build of his AR.
Of course since that pic in September 2002, I've added a Surefire G2 in 1" rings... however since I have such elaborate gear I naturally don't shoot much and have only fired about 1,500rds since February 1st with a mere 2.5k budgeted for April.
Perhaps with enough shooting I will eventually reach the stage of enlightment that .357wheelgunner achieved watching a single match while planning the build of his AR.
SpookyPistolero
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What kind of stock is that? It's the third I've seen and I don't know jack about them.
Zak Smith
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Magpul M93A2
Bartholomew Roberts
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It is a Magpul M93 MSS stock. It is about three variants old now. The current production version is the M93B. I am very pleased with mine as it allows me to open it from collapsed to my own preset length with a simple pull.
It also offers a solid stock weld instead of the half on buffer tuber/half off of the traditional collapsing AR stocks. It is as solid as any fixed stock I have ever used and has 11 positions to adjust to. Very useful for when I am breaking in new shooters who are still young. Also useful for getting a little extra length in the prone position.
I would rate it right behind the ACOG as one of the purchases that I was initially reluctant to make; but very glad with the results.
It also offers a solid stock weld instead of the half on buffer tuber/half off of the traditional collapsing AR stocks. It is as solid as any fixed stock I have ever used and has 11 positions to adjust to. Very useful for when I am breaking in new shooters who are still young. Also useful for getting a little extra length in the prone position.
I would rate it right behind the ACOG as one of the purchases that I was initially reluctant to make; but very glad with the results.
SpookyPistolero
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Ahh, so that's a Magpul. I had heard people talk about them but didn't put two and two together.
Geez, all these wicked looking AR's are driving me nuts.
('It's ok, AK's are so reliable...so cheap to feed...ignore the tacti-lust....be one with the Saiga...)
Ah-hem, I'm fine now. No, really....
Geez, all these wicked looking AR's are driving me nuts.
('It's ok, AK's are so reliable...so cheap to feed...ignore the tacti-lust....be one with the Saiga...)
Ah-hem, I'm fine now. No, really....
Zak Smith
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+1 on what Bartholomew Roberts said about the Magpul stock. You'll notice I have it on virtually ALL my AR15's (and AR10's). The only exception is my JP CTR-02 for no particular reason besides I haven't got around to it yet. That consistent and solid cheek weld is a huge advantage. The stock is very robust, and locks positively in place. For prone shooting or "position" standards, I use P4 or P5. For CQB stages, I use P2 or P3.
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SpookyPistolero
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I did notice you have them on all your AR's, Zak. The solid cheek weld is a good selling point for me. I am considering an AR build probably much later this year and that sounds like a worthwhile addition. 'AR' they terribly expensive? (hahaha, sorry, had to write that. It was so organic, and not good)
I have never even seen a three gun match but am itching to get into it after school is over this semester. I have been looking for a place to gain skill at practical rifle shooting which I am crap at. Has anyone ran an AK much in 3-gun? Is it still fun? I'm not looking to win it all, really, just to learn to use what I have.
I heard Correia does frequently, probably a good sign.
I have never even seen a three gun match but am itching to get into it after school is over this semester. I have been looking for a place to gain skill at practical rifle shooting which I am crap at. Has anyone ran an AK much in 3-gun? Is it still fun? I'm not looking to win it all, really, just to learn to use what I have.
I heard Correia does frequently, probably a good sign.
Zak Smith
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A few months ago, we ran an annual "AR vs AK" match where you shot the match with your AR15, and then reshot it with your AK.
On the CQB and short stages, they were close with no clear winner. On the medium and longer range stages (300 yards), the AK had a big disadvantage due poor sights.
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On the CQB and short stages, they were close with no clear winner. On the medium and longer range stages (300 yards), the AK had a big disadvantage due poor sights.
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SpookyPistolero
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Yeah, I don't have a lot of faith in the sight setup. Have you ever seen or used the Krebs AR-type rear sight that attaches to the dust cover?
I have a pipe dream of putting a dustcover with a set-screw, along with the Krebs sight, and then taking off the old rear sight, and replacing that with one of the mounts they make to replace the rear sight leaf.
Seems that you'd have a great setup if you could get that to work. Most reports that I've heard from people say there was little to no loss of zero after removal of the dust cover when using that sight.
It may be like trying to put a Porsche engine in a Yugo, but at least it would be a fun project.
I have a pipe dream of putting a dustcover with a set-screw, along with the Krebs sight, and then taking off the old rear sight, and replacing that with one of the mounts they make to replace the rear sight leaf.
Seems that you'd have a great setup if you could get that to work. Most reports that I've heard from people say there was little to no loss of zero after removal of the dust cover when using that sight.
It may be like trying to put a Porsche engine in a Yugo, but at least it would be a fun project.
Zak Smith
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If you are not limited to iron sights, mount a DoctorSight on one of those "scout" rails from Ultimak. Should rock.
Archie
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Just out of curiousity....
What are the target range(s) for the 'rifle' portion of a three gun match? How many shots per stage, as a rough average?
I'm wondering if a Garand is possible, or does the 'twenty-five round burst' rule eliminate that rifle out of hand?
I've shot cowboy three gun; the 'long' portions were usually under one hundred yards. The one or two other three gun matches were similarly close for the 'long gun' portion. Both of those matches were friendly to less than twenty round magazine capacities. I'm just wondering what the rest of the world is like.
What are the target range(s) for the 'rifle' portion of a three gun match? How many shots per stage, as a rough average?
I'm wondering if a Garand is possible, or does the 'twenty-five round burst' rule eliminate that rifle out of hand?
I've shot cowboy three gun; the 'long' portions were usually under one hundred yards. The one or two other three gun matches were similarly close for the 'long gun' portion. Both of those matches were friendly to less than twenty round magazine capacities. I'm just wondering what the rest of the world is like.
SpookyPistolero
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Wowza. Had to do a search to find them, I think the cheapest cost more than my rifle. But then what good optics don't end up with that price tag. Any idea what the difference, other than about $400, is between the standard and law enforcement model?
Either way, a good red dot on an Ultimak would probably solve most problems.
Either way, a good red dot on an Ultimak would probably solve most problems.
Zak Smith
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It really depends on the guys running the match, and the berms available at the host range. At RM3G (the big one at the NRAWC in Raton NM) rifle stages are typically 30-45 required rounds, with rifle shots from contact distance to 325 yards. At Pueblo, we shoot to 400 yards. Many ranges are limited to 100 yards.
You can read the match reports I posted here in the Competition forum to get an idea of what they are like. (Search for my name in the Competition forum.)
The garand would put you at a disadvantage against M1As, AKs, or AR15s similar to shooting a 8-round 1911 against 14-20 round "Limited" pistols. You have to plan to shoot targets in groups of 4, and plan your reloads well. That said, you'll have a hoot and get style points.
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You can read the match reports I posted here in the Competition forum to get an idea of what they are like. (Search for my name in the Competition forum.)
The garand would put you at a disadvantage against M1As, AKs, or AR15s similar to shooting a 8-round 1911 against 14-20 round "Limited" pistols. You have to plan to shoot targets in groups of 4, and plan your reloads well. That said, you'll have a hoot and get style points.
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Zak Smith
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I believe the LE model of the DoctorSight is "more" water resistant.
There's also the J-Point from JP Enterprises.
There's also the J-Point from JP Enterprises.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Longest range I've shot during a match was about 250yds. The matches I have shot have mostly been non-semi friendly and a competent pump/bolt/lever rifle can compete well in them. Round counts are in the 20-40 range.
However, it depends a LOT on the match director. It is real easy to set up matches where a certain type of rifle will dominate.
Garands have done well in the matches I've shot; but you have to know how to run them (I don't).
There was a shoot locally at Tac-Pro Shooting Center and there was a father-son team that used the same rig they used for Cowboy Action Shooting and fnished in the top five. Didn't get to witness the action firsthand myself; but the owner related the action to me. The father used a side by side 12ga and the son used a .22LR lever.
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