Some say a .380 isn;t enough

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50,000,000? At least make it realistic--say 50,000---OK, I'll do it---did I mention I might come in prepared for your gun---maybe like a robber would---do you still want to grab your .22 revolver?
 
Did I mention too that I will have my Glock 33 shooting back at you---advantage me----big time.
 
And on and on and on we go.
The other night I was reading a story in Chris Birds book "The Concealed Handgun Manual" and there was a most interesting read of one Leo Arrendondo who not once but twice fought off and killed three very bad hombres with a lowly Davis .380 all the while being fired upon by such weapons as the .45 ACP semi-auto,a .38 Special in the first go around killing one of the assailants.
Four years later family members of the deceased came for him and this time the bad guys were using a .357 Magnum,and a 12 gauge pump shotgun in which Arrendondo was wounded by the pump 12 gauge mind you, but he still prevailed killing both blood seeking family members who came to kill him.
Again with another lowly,cheap Davis .380.
Just thought I would put that on the plate so all could dwell on.
 
heeler said:
And on and on and on we go.
The other night I was reading a story in Chris Birds book "The Concealed Handgun Manual" and there was a most interesting read of one Leo Arrendondo who not once but twice fought off and killed three very bad hombres with a lowly Davis .380 all the while being fired upon by such weapons as the .45 ACP semi-auto,a .38 Special in the first go around killing one of the assailants.
Four years later family members of the deceased came for him and this time the bad guys were using a .357 Magnum,and a 12 gauge pump shotgun in which Arrendondo was wounded by the pump 12 gauge mind you, but he still prevailed killing both blood seeking family members who came to kill him.
Again with another lowly,cheap Davis .380.
Just thought I would put that on the plate so all could dwell on.
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and you'll hear more and more of these stories as all the .380s purchased for CCW start having to do what they were bought for......Then and only then will the .380 get any respect from the haters....Just like the old 9mm and .45 arguments.

Lets not forget John Browning designed the cartridge and felt it good enough to go to market....Anything JMB designed and believed in has my respect!
 
Advantage goes to the better pistolero.....Ever hear of David and Goliath
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2 things

1. Did you miss the part of what I'm wearing during this fight?
2. Since I'm proficient in shooting---as is my cohort-----caliber makes a difference.
 
Hey, bottom line, if a .380 is all you can handle and can't shoot as well as a 9mm or .45---then by all means carry the .380---but with the size of sub compact 9's available today--the old arguement of carrying due to size doesn't hold water.
 
Just a word before the lock and key gets put on this thread Mayo.
I just recently purchased a Kahr PM9 to start carrying.
However there is NO way it is as easily concealed as my micro Diamondback 380 that I have been carrying for a year now.
The Kahr is pretty micro for what it is to and hats off to Kahr for getting it where it is but with my .380 stacked right on top of it I can tell you the .380 is substantially smaller and untill I can come up with a comfortable way to keep my Kahr totally concealed and still keep a reasonable mode of comfort I will still carry my,as some would say, limp wristed .380
 
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Hey, bottom line, if a .380 is all you can handle and can't shoot as well as a 9mm or .45---then by all means carry the .380---but with the size of sub compact 9's available today--the old arguement of carrying due to size doesn't hold water.
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What don't you gentlemen get about, it isn't always what one can handle?.....I already had a .380 long before the mini 9mm's came out. I also have a 9x18 chambered pistol that I carry. I am confident and comfortable with eithers ability as well as my own, to diffuse a threatening situation. If I want bigger and more powerful, I can also just carry one of my full size pistols.

I feel no need to go buy a mini 9mm because you or anyone else says they're available today. I have what I need, do you?
 
I just recently purchased a Kahr PM9 to start carrying.
However there is NO way it is as easily concealed as my micro Diamondback 380 that I have been carrying for a year now.
The Kahr is pretty micro for what it is to and hats off to Kahr for getting it where it is but with my .380 stacked right on top of it I can tell you the .380 is substantially smaller and untill I can come up with a comfortable way to keep my Kahr totally concealed and still keep a reasonable mode of comfort I will still carry my,as some would say, limp wristed .380
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As easily concealed---no---an R9---Yes. Now the important question---if you knew there was a good chance that you might run into trouble on a certain day, which gun would you grab of the 2? So now, on that day comfort(or more comfort) takes a back seat to caliber.
 
[and so does your Glock right?....but who is more proficient/QUOTE]

That was my point---we are both proficient---him with his .380 and me with my Glock 33--advantage me.
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If I knew??
The day of the big fight at O.K. Corral(I truely wonder how many here have REALLY been down that road) I will make sure I have my pump 12 gauge and deer rifle.
I mean after all all these pistols are so weak....
 
If I knew??
The day of the big fight at O.K. Corral(I truely wonder how many here have REALLY been down that road) I will make sure I have my pump 12 gauge and deer rifle.
I mean after all all these pistols are so weak....
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You know exactly what I'm saying. If you could only pick 1 of the 2, which 1? You and I both know the truth.
 
Mayo said:
You know exactly what I'm saying. If you could only pick 1 of the 2, which 1? You and I both know the truth.
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Ummm, if I knew I'd get in a head on collision today, I'd drive my dump truck.....Well, maybe I should drive it everyday, just in case! :uhoh:
 
Mayo said:
You know exactly what I'm saying. If you could only pick 1 of the 2, which 1? You and I both know the truth.
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Depends on the size of the gun.

If it's a full-size then yeah I want the 9 or a 45.

If however we're back to your R9 and the P3AT choices, I'll take the 380, and while you're trying to dig the R9 out of your forehead after the first shot I'll empty the P3AT's mag into your chest. ;)
 
Ummm, if I knew I'd get in a head on collision today, I'd drive my dump truck.....Well, maybe I should drive it everyday, just in case!
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Wow--you are really doing your best to avoid the answer. Here ya go, you are in the kitchen and you have the Kahr and .380 on the table in front of you----you hear a loud noise in the next room---which do you grab(no other guns)?!
 
Actually Mayo since you asked "if I knew" I gave you a straight answer.
But I have no want to lug around a three pound 10 mm semi-auto for the day that in most likely hood will never come.
And anyway maybe the camp of Angels hovering around Leo Arrendondo will be hanging around me that very day.

Edit to add..I am done with this show.
 
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Wow--you are really doing your best to avoid the answer. Here ya go, you are in the kitchen and you have the Kahr and .380 on the table in front of you----you hear a loud noise in the next room---which do you grab(no other guns)?!
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Well, I don't own a Kahr but If I was at my home, I'd grab the shotgun with "00" ;)
 
If it's a full-size then yeah I want the 9 or a 45
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Why--don't you feel adequate with the .380---if it's good enough when your life is in danger then it should be good enough on EVERY occassion.
 
But I have no want to lug around a three pound 10 mm semi-auto for the day that in most likely hood will never come.
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Yeah, a 10mm 3 pound is in the same category as a subcompact 9mm roll eyes!
 
Mayo said:
Yeah, a 10mm 3 pound is in the same category as a subcompact 9mm roll eyes!
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Well yeah but the 10mm is gonna be a helluva lot more effective than some puny ass little girly man 9mm!

And apparently you seem to think it's all about caliber.
 
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