Mr_Flintstone
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And let us not forget the 6.5x57. It was released about the same time as the 6.5x55, but as a sporting round from the start. It was never adopted as a military round.
The ELD-M bullet is a target bullet, not a hunting bullet.
I'm kind of surprised .260 never got its second wind really in recent years because of the 6.5 Creedmoor.
I haven't seen the 6.5 CM Black with ELD-M. Is that a Grendel thing only?
I did...it says Grendel. And so is the round in the pic.Zoom in, box says 6.5 Creedmoor.
https://www.academy.com/p/hornady-black-65mm-creedmoor-bthp-140-grain-rifle-ammunition-20-rounds
Okay the only ones I could find.
So people keep saying....As has been made abundantly clear, the Creedjesus is without peer.
To prove itself to me that it will put deer down as well as the 308 is what I meant.I understand quite well that it's capable.Oh how I love the internet.
I'm glad to see you are happy with a 308 but to say the 6.5CM is unproven is comedic.
There is a precision rifle forum that has threads going with dozens of hunters using the 6.5 CM to kill deer every year. I guess the dead little deer didn't question the difference 1mm makes.
The ELD-M,the A-Max and the Sierra Matchking are all target bullets,but those along with some of the Berger target bullets do quite well on deer size game,especially at longer ranges.The ELD-M that I used in my 6.5 did very well as far as what it did to the deer I shot with it at a measured 300 yards.The lungs were basically pudding,but the heart was intact,possibly that's why she made it about 100 yards before piling up.I've used these target designated bullets on a fair number of deer and they've never failed for me yet.Keep in mind that when I'm using the match bullets,it's in open country and I somehow manage to pick my shots and put the bullet where it belongs.The rifles that I use for more woods type hunting use proven hunting bullets like the Partition and the Sirocco.The ELD-M bullet is a target bullet, not a hunting bullet.
The ELD-M,the A-Max and the Sierra Matchking are all target bullets,but those along with some of the Berger target bullets do quite well on deer size game,especially at longer ranges.The ELD-M that I used in my 6.5 did very well as far as what it did to the deer I shot with it at a measured 300 yards.The lungs were basically pudding,but the heart was intact,possibly that's why she made it about 100 yards before piling up.I've used these target designated bullets on a fair number of deer and they've never failed for me yet.Keep in mind that when I'm using the match bullets,it's in open country and I somehow manage to pick my shots and put the bullet where it belongs.The rifles that I use for more woods type hunting use proven hunting bullets like the Partition and the Sirocco.
So premise of my question........author of terminal wound research claims that ideal velocity at impact is within a range of 2,600 fps, an no more than 3,200 fps. (Faster than 3,200 fsp and most soft point hunting bullets will blow up on impact.......ejection vs. penetration. Blow a chunk of meat off, but animal escapes to suffer a painful death somewhere else). That is for most hunting calibers in range of 30 caliber or less. At 2,600 fps +, that is sufficient velocity for most soft point hunting bullets to expand to the point it creates a wide for caliber wound channel when sent thru the boiler room. At same time, it creates enough shock to system to shut down the nervous system. Say a good double lung shot, animal drops where it stands (nervous system shuts down), then before it can recover from the shock, it bleeds out. So two related but different forms of injury. 'His premise (and experience) says that much below 2,600 fps and same animal, same shot, nervous system does not shut down, so animal may not go down, but may still be up and moving until it bleeds out and then goes down. Ergo you get comments like "didn't get far" before it dropped. "Not far" being subjective, but perhaps a few steps to 75 yards or more. Yes it killed them.....but didn't drop on the spot. You are following blood trails and tracking to find him vs. finding him right where he dropped. Again, that is independent of caliber. Theory is that what matters is if the bullet from whatever gun is still running 2,600 fps or faster at impact to impart shock to his nervous system. And that applies to most chest shots that impact lungs, be it thru the shoulder, or just behind. Speed kills.
Where caliber comes in, and this applies to most of the 6.5's, when muzzle velocity isn't much greater than that, depending on range, bullet will have dropped below 2,600 fps at impact. In most cases, that is no more than 200 yards. Maybe less.
Ergo the very specific questions to try to confirm if the guy was FOS or credible. When you killed an animal, and it dropped right there.....what bullet, what muzzle velocity, what distance and where did the bullet impact. If all the parameters were met, then he may be right, If not, then he was not.
Where this has specific application to the 6.5 Creed relates directly to it's suitability for hunting. If his claim is true, then you need to take that into account. Load lighter bullets in 120 to 130 grain range to up velocity to extend their effective range, and accept that even then, there is an effective range, and it's not nearly as far as the gun can accurately shoot.
Probably leftover from the days when target bullets were just that, and not well suited to shooting game.Classic BS that folks seem to love saying online…
I always thought that old time target bullets blew apart easily. FMJ’s would punch a hole without expanding.Probably leftover from the days when target bullets were just that, and not well suited to shooting game
ELD-X is fine, but actual match target ammo is not recommended