Something between 7.62x39 and .308

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Sweet. I'll keep an eye out for them! One of the few things I don't like about that CZ527 is the magazine extending below the stock like it does. Hopefully the Howa will be flush and stagger the rounds.

Just checked the ballistics on the 6.5 Grendel and holy cow. That looks like the perfect lightweight, super short-action deer caliber. Another 100 yards of effective range beyond my 7.62x39, but the same size and weight gun with likely 10-11 lbs. recoil. Very cool.
Absolutely. I think the Howa comes in either a traditional hinged floor plate or they also offer a detachable box mag conversion.

I'd like to build an AR in the Grendel, but can't seem to find a lighter profile barrel.
 
As of a couple months ago when i emailed them, the Howa Mini was only avaliable with the box mag, no floor plate option. The Howa Alpine comes with both.
 
As of a couple months ago when i emailed them, the Howa Mini was only avaliable with the box mag, no floor plate option. The Howa Alpine comes with both.
Didn't know that. But I think Howa sells just the barreled action by itself, so surely you could get a floor plate version that way.
 
Absolutely. I think the Howa comes in either a traditional hinged floor plate or they also offer a detachable box mag conversion.

I'd like to build an AR in the Grendel, but can't seem to find a lighter profile barrel.
Where are you located at? If your close I can profile a barrel on my lathe for a reasonable price if your interested.
 
I am in western Washington so that won't work easily, a machine shop should be able to turn it down for a decent price. It isn't hard and it doesn't take too long either.
 
Well certainly you're entitled to your opinion, but my shoulder can definitely tell the difference. As soon as I load above 2400 fps with a 150-grain bullet in my .308, the recoil becomes noticeably uncomfortable, as in, no big deal for one or three shots, but I'm not going to sit there and shoot that all day at the range. Part of the reason is that my hunting rifles are 7 lbs. or less due to the fact that I usually hunt on my feet during gun season.

I've always used the 1K ft. lb. standard for deer as I think that provides more than enough margin for error, esp. on 100 lb. Texas Whitetails. Deer get quickly and humanely killed every year with much less, but 1K is my comfort level.

So in my handloads, my goal is to produce a load in my .308 that gives me 1K ft. lbs. at 300 yards. I'm not going to shoot past 300 yards, so there's no point in my mind in wasting the energy. And I'm not going to take a quick shot at 300, so I should have plenty of time to range the critter with my rangefinder, and know where to aim, negating the trajectory question.

Yugorpk, that's what I'm doing now and it certainly works. I bought the .308 for it's versatility and that's exactly what I got.

I'm just surprised that with all the bullet choices in .30 caliber, and for how long that caliber has been around, there isn't something in a "7.62x45-ish" round that found it's way into the deer hunting world.

I know the 7mm-08 has become a very popular round because it features a lot of these characteristics. Just surprised there's not something that offers a heavier bullet with a similar amount of recoil in a bolt gun.

If there was a good, accurate, rimless .30-30-ish bolt gun with factory pointed bullets, I would think it would sell. I mean, how many deer have been killed with a 30-30 by now? Just seems the obvious thing to me. Guess I'm just off base though.
Just trying to cover a few points you made.

When hunting you should not require more than 3 shots to put down a deer therefore using more velocity for less drop would be ideal.
If you want to sit there all day shooting a 7lb rifle target shooting you can develop a separate load for that but then again with a 7 lb rifle you will need to shoot slowly to allow the barrel to cool down
 
Good points. I've noticed exactly that - the light barrel really heats up quickly. I almost always take at least one other gun to the range to have something to "do" while my lightweight deer rifle is cooling down. ;)

Back to the original question, I had a chance to look at some Savage .300 rounds today and I'll be darned if they aren't - at least by outward appearance - nearly smack in the middle of the 7.62x39 and the .308. Very neat little cartridge. I'm surprised it didn't catch on more than it did.

Since there really aren't that many options in .30 caliber between the two guns I already have, I succumbed to a fine Ruger M77 stainless RSI (full stock) in 7x57 yesterday in the Cabelas gun library. I had never seen a stainless rifle in a full walnut stock. The gun is B-E-A Utiful and handles like a dream with the 18.5" barrel. Scoped, it weighs 7.5 lbs. almost exactly, and factory loads should run right around 2350 fps with a 150-grain bullet, again, very close to the parameters I had in my mind.

First trip to the range tomorrow. Wish me luck!
 
Oh you will LOVE shooting 7x57. It is a laser beam from yesteryear. Think 7mm-08 with historical personality, I believe it even was used by somebody to take elephants. It is a dream to shoot and very manageable recoil. Hopefully the Ruger barrel is up to the accuracy that cartridge is capable of.
 
Hope so too. If I enjoy shooting it HALF as much as I enjoy looking at it and handling it, then it will definitely be a keeper. I got it for a steal too. I almost feel guilty paying just a hair more for a Ruger 77 Mannlicher stock stainless 7x57 than I did for that Savage scout!

I bought 5 boxes of ammo for it yesterday (139 grain SP Prvi to harvest the brass) and can't wait to shoot it. I've not been this excited about a rifle since, well, I started shooting that little Scout. LOL.

There is a very good chance that if this 7x57 shoots well, that 7.62x39 and the Ruger 7mm Mauser may be the only two rifles I need for darn near anything.
 
That would be my opinion too. A mannlicher stock too, wow. I missed that part. That must look amazing in stainless... privi makes good ammo for it too. Seller and bellot is good ammo also plus its good brass. Man you lucked out...
 
I honestly didn't know they made RSI's in stainless, that's pretty slick. I'm not surprised you ran across it at the Cabelas gun library, i see something interesting and different every time I'm in there.
 
Not my rifle, but my new rifle with the 2-7x33 Leupold scope I just mounted on it, looks exactly like this gun:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c286/taw1126/L1020092.jpg

It's one damn fine looking rifle, and it handles like a dream.

Gtscotty, my buddy and I were trying to keep each other from buying more than 1 gun in that place yesterday. We both nearly walked out with a Winchester as well, but talked each other out of it. :D When I saw that stainless Ruger RSI, and it was in 7x57, I knew I had to have it. Esp. at that price. Saw one in another Cabelas library online for $500 more today.
 
BTW, he was there to pick up his Savage Scout in 7.62x39. ;) Shot mine once, looked at me and said "I have to own one of these." ha, ha.
 
hey.. i found the rifle cartridge you want.. its called .30 reaper, the cartridges overall length is the same as 5.56mm, it uses cheap, common .308 brass as a base, it is essentially the .30 cal version of the 8mm kurz cartridge, however if loaded to 60kpsi will achieve you performance between that of 7.62x39 and .308

id imagine you could probably make the chamber for this by reaming a .308 reamer short.. as far as magazines go, and rifles chambered for it, youre on your own
 
There is so much just plain wrong with this entire thread, I don't kno where to start

I think the word is minutia.

Let me introduce myself. I am 74 years old. I have harvested animals to eat for over 60 years. Today my eyes are no longer sharp and my old, frail, arthritic body, that has two artificial knees, two shoulder replacements, and a lumbar spinal fusion, put 20 rounds of .300 Win Mag down range today.

First of all if you are bothered by recoil, there is a 99% chance you are holding the rifle improperly.

Minutia, you ask? The differences between .308, 30-06, .300 H&H, 30-30, 300 Savage, the 7MM's, the .311's, (7.62X54, 7.62 Arg., .303, 7.7 Jap etc) can be argued forever but not one single dead animal ever knew the difference.

I killed my whitetail this season with a Ruger M-77 .357. I used that rifle because it (and a Leupold 2.5X Ultralite scope) only weighs 6 lbs, plus I no longer shoot animals at more than 75 yards.

Come on guys, let up on the minutia.
 
ibfestus, if you found this thread offensive, then I apologize. Or, just keep on moving. Take your pick. ;)
 
I think I may have found my answer. And it's not what I would have thought. For a while I had settled on the 7x57 Mauser as the intermediate caliber I would choose between the 7.62x39 and the .308. No, it's not a .30 caliber but it's close and featured the bullet weights I was after (140-160 grains).

But yesterday I started hand loading for my 7.62x39, and I am amazed at the performance gains I have seen vs. factory ammo for my Savage scout. I am able to get nearly 2350 fps. with a 150-grain SST, which carries over 1000 ft. lbs. all the way out to 300 yards. I would have never expected that from such a small cartridge.

There is less of a gap between the two calibers than I first thought, provided you can hand load for the lighter one.
 
Come on guys, let up on the minutia.
You definitely have a valid point. I think the 7.62 39 is the caliber between 223 and 308. A lot of shooters are recoil challenged.

Sometimes guys like to experiment with different calibers just cause.
 
But yesterday I started hand loading for my 7.62x39, and I am amazed at the performance gains I have seen vs. factory ammo for my Savage scout. I am able to get nearly 2350 fps. with a 150-grain SST, which carries over 1000 ft. lbs. all the way out to 300 yards. I would have never expected that from such a small cartridge.

Very nice! A 150 grain x39 with 124 grain velocity would make a great hunting round. Put that in one of those CZ 527s and you are set.
 
Or, put it in my Savage model 10 with a 20" .308 barrel, and I'm set. :D

I wonder if the CZ with it's 18" barrel could reach 2350 with a 150-grainer.

This is shaping up nicely, because I will be able to use the same bullets for my 7.62x39 and my .308. And it turns out they both shoot sub-MOA with Hornady SST's. :D
 
Have you looked at the 30-30? 170 grain bullets at 762x39 velocities. Been killing deer for more than a 100 years.
 
I've been killing deer and hogs (actually hundreds of hogs) with a 30-30 for the past 30 of those 100 years. Very familiar with that round. Just not really available in a modern bolt action. But the LeverEvolution rounds sure are a nice improvement over the old 170-grain flat nose I shot for so long.

What I was after was basically a modern bolt-action 30-30, which led me to "re-discover" that the 7.62x39 was available in at least four modern bolt action rifles, the CZ 527, the Zastavia mini mauser, the Ruger 77 and what I now own, the Savage "scout" bolt action.

My hand loads can beat the most powerful factory loads I've tried, and offer me what I was looking for - an accurate 250-yard deer and hog rifle that has low recoil, good ballistics and plenty of punch.
 
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